Biorhythms for UNC @Stanford: 9 pm Tip on ACCN

finesse said:
I was thinking about Cadeau as well but there wasn't a guard on the court last night that he could have guarded and his less than 2 threes a game and free throw shooting wouldn't have likely made much difference ,either.

Face it, they had three players absolutely go berserk from the three and it still took us missing 12 free throws for them to win. Sometimes you just get outplayed and nights when the other team goes 15-23 from three is likely to be one of them.
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Yeah, I mean maybe the perimeter D is horrible (I didn't see the game last night) but there's definitely an element of had luck involved when you have 3 game in a row of that happening. 3 point defense is one of the least controllable variables there is in basketball.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Same here. Have been a Hubert supporter but losses like these are just killing him, and are simply unacceptable. I'm not giving up on him yet, but his seat is getting a lot hotter a lot faster, and deservedly so. These last few games we've not looked good at all for long stretches, and he just seems to have no answer or ability or flexibility to fix the team's issues, which has been one of the persistent criticisms of him over his tenure here.
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I’m not trying to be antagonistic, but what makes you still think he can do the job? i’ve never really been a hubert guy so i’ve always been quick to pt out hes horrible, just wondering what makes someone pro-hubert at pt
 
Centerpiece said:
Agree on all points you have here... but will add the real blame goes to the players on the floor. Heck, they're pros now - getting paid big bucks to play a kid's game. And staying in front of your man or keeping up your intensity on D, or communicating with each other on D is fundamental. You see it in every gym watching men's industrial league recreation center games. The players either will D up and play with intensity 100% of the time - or they will not. Recall: Roy had the same problem with his bunch of players his last 3 or 4 years. He got tired of having to coach or "teach" the literal "want to" and toughness on defense. He got tired of it.

Usually the rag on Hubert is the offense. But that's not been the problem at all so far this season. 90 pts on 58% shooting and out-rebounding the other team should be plenty to win a game. Missing 12 FT's didn't help.

Seems like playing tough D left Chapel Hill a long time ago... before Hubert became head coach.
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The defensive scheme with switching on everything doesn't help. And if it is not working Hubert has nothing else to go to.
 
I was ready to pull the plug on the Evans experiment after SMU

Maybe you salvage something in Luka but Evans cannot be playing so much

Mountain West Cade Tyson with more warning signs
 
To put things in perspective, Stanford played a guy for 24 minutes who played DIII college ball for the previous 3 years. And the guy who went 6-7 from 3 and scored 20 points on us played DII college ball for the previous 3 years. So we got beat by a team that was giving substantial minutes to guys who played DIII and DII until this season.
 
Icky Mettle said:
To put things in perspective, Stanford played a guy for 24 minutes who played DIII college ball for the previous 3 years. And the guy who went 6-7 from 3 and scored 20 points on us played DII college ball for the previous 3 years. So we got beat by a team that was giving substantial minutes to guys who played DIII and DII until this season.
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That's true although I think one was an All American at that level. Of course, no one has ever greatly improved.


  • Michael Jordan: Famously cut from his high school varsity team as a sophomore because coaches thought he was too small and lacked consistency, fueling his legendary work ethic.
  • Dennis Rodman: A late bloomer who grew significantly after high school, working as a janitor before his skills emerged and led to college and NBA stardom.
  • Charles Barkley: Didn't make his varsity team until his senior year, transforming from a smaller player into a dominant force.
Other Notable Players with Overlooked High School Careers:
  • Ja Morant: Unranked throughout most of high school until a late growth spurt and strong senior year put him on the radar.
  • Jimmy Butler: Received no college offers initially, considered a low national prospect, but earned a scholarship after a strong senior season.
  • Scottie Pippen: Earned high school honors but went unrecruited, eventually becoming a walk-on at Central Arkansas.
  • Damian Lillard: Transferred high schools and was a two-star prospect, overlooked by major programs before his college breakout.
  • Stephen Curry: Despite being a great shooter and scorer, his smaller stature limited his major college recruitment.
  • Fred VanVleet: An overlooked guard who stayed loyal to his local AAU team, missing out on early exposure.

Find an intelligent argument.
 
Very limited with the guards we have. They all are slow, poor shooters and bad defenders (yes even Seth). Given that, I think out lineup should be:

Luka
Seth
Jarin
Caleb
Henri

We will be lucky to finish .500 in the ACC
 
finesse said:
That's true although I think one was an All American at that level. Of course, no one has ever greatly improved.


  • Michael Jordan: Famously cut from his high school varsity team as a sophomore because coaches thought he was too small and lacked consistency, fueling his legendary work ethic.
  • Dennis Rodman: A late bloomer who grew significantly after high school, working as a janitor before his skills emerged and led to college and NBA stardom.
  • Charles Barkley: Didn't make his varsity team until his senior year, transforming from a smaller player into a dominant force.
Other Notable Players with Overlooked High School Careers:
  • Ja Morant: Unranked throughout most of high school until a late growth spurt and strong senior year put him on the radar.
  • Jimmy Butler: Received no college offers initially, considered a low national prospect, but earned a scholarship after a strong senior season.
  • Scottie Pippen: Earned high school honors but went unrecruited, eventually becoming a walk-on at Central Arkansas.
  • Damian Lillard: Transferred high schools and was a two-star prospect, overlooked by major programs before his college breakout.
  • Stephen Curry: Despite being a great shooter and scorer, his smaller stature limited his major college recruitment.
  • Fred VanVleet: An overlooked guard who stayed loyal to his local AAU team, missing out on early exposure.

Find an intelligent argument.
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Come on. None of those examples— except Dennis Rodman and arguably Scottie Pippen — are remotely the equivalent of guys who played three of their four college years at the DII and DIII levels. Being a diamond in the rough coming out of high school, then going on to find success on the DI level is nothing like playing three years of DIII and DII ball and then one final year of DI ball (and Jordan ended up being one of the top HS players on then inter before coming to Chapel Hill). And we’re talking about two players on the same team in the same game; not just one.

Now there have been a few DII and DIII players who went on to have successful NBA careers. It is extremely rare. But again, the issue here is that Stanford put two guys who just came from those lower divisions on the floor for a substantial number of minutes. One of them torched us and had a DI career high in points (13 points above his ppg average). Neither of them will be playing in the NBA.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Come on. None of those examples— except Dennis Rodman and arguably Scottie Pippen — are remotely the equivalent of guys who played three of their four college years at the DII and DIII levels. Being a diamond in the rough coming out of high school, then going on to find success on the DI level is nothing like playing three years of DIII and DII ball and then one final year of DI ball (and Jordan ended up being one of the top HS players on then inter before coming to Chapel Hill). And we’re talking about two players on the same team in the same game; not just one.

Now there have been a few DII and DIII players who went on to have successful NBA careers. It is extremely rare. But again, the issue here is that Stanford put two guys who just came from those lower divisions on the floor for a substantial number of minutes. One of them torched us and had a DI career high in points (13 points above his ppg average). Neither of them will be playing in the NBA.
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I don't know that they'll play in the NBA but I'm not the one thinking someone lucked into a DI scholarship and ended up an important player. The fact that they did and are pretty much negates your argument. It's almost like talent scouts at the DI level came to an entirely different conclusion than you did. After what I saw last night, I trust them more than you. The point is I trust my eyes. They may never play like that again but if you think we got beat like that by players playing poorly, one of us is seriously mistaken.

Oh,btw, unless something seriously changes, only one player guarding them last night has much of a chance at playing in the NBA, either.
 
Veesaar/Wilson only missed one shot combined in the second half

As a team UNC shot 65% in the second half (with a lead coming out of halftime)

And lost
 
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