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This is a poorly constructed roster with obvious holes that is being coached badly into being worse than they should be.

Those things should never be true of a basketball team at the University of North Carolina.
 
wmheel1287 said:
This is a poorly constructed roster with obvious holes that is being coached badly into being worse than they should be.
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The roster itself is fairly good. It has a lack of a “floor leader” PG & a good back up big, but it should be no worse than a top 15-20 roster.

I think utilization of the roster is the vast majority of the problem.
 
Neither Evans nor Luca for that matter are really panning out. Seth had a poor game, and Powell barely got minutes. Young got minutes but his D was awful. That was a really demoralizing loss.
 
This team just lacks mental toughness.

It’s nothing physical imo. They don’t fight through off ball screens well, (or on ball for that matter) and they don’t have the mental toughness to hit FTs more consistently.

They have mental lapses like losing their man in the corner way too often. Some of that is the constant switching and some communication.

Trimble plays around 60% speed all the time and is the most unwilling passer I can remember. He should be a garbage points guy, as in put backs, and fast break finishes from other players, and he’s being forced into a playmaker role and is he the furthest from a playmaker we could have.

We have no guard that can lead the offense properly. The bigs are great at nearly everything but they can’t be relied on to get the guards open. If the 2 bigs get a touch it’s in the best interest for them to take the shot.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Hubert is just not a good coach. I’ve tried and tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it’s painfully obvious that this team should be playing better than it is.
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Should have been gone prior to this year but nothing we can do about it now. I just hope the next search is done the right way and not some lame family hire.
 
uncjhodges said:
I’m not trying to be antagonistic, but what makes you still think he can do the job? i’ve never really been a hubert guy so i’ve always been quick to pt out hes horrible, just wondering what makes someone pro-hubert at pt
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He's been up and down, but in his first four seasons he had two bad seasons and two good ones (we went 29-8 and were a #1 seed just a couple of years ago) and we got off to a very good start this season, although it's certainly gone south lately. I'm well aware that he had no head coaching experience when he was hired but liked him personally, liked his connections to Coach Smith and Coach Williams (who placed a great deal of faith and trust in him), and given that he was our head coach I certainly hoped that he would grow into the job, and expected that he might have some growing pains along the way.

Having said that, I also agreed that this season was make-or-break for him and while he started off well it certainly isn't looking very good right now, and if things don't turn around I do think that he'll be gone at the end of the season, and probably should be. I will admit that I have been skeptical of the motivations of some (not all, but some) of those who have relentlessly criticized him, and even if I do agree at the end of the season that it's time for him to go, as someone who is old enough to fondly remember him playing for Coach Smith I will not indulge in the personal attacks that some so gleefully seem to be doing, not so much here as on the old IC (On3) and 247. I'll also admit that my affection for college basketball and football in general has been waning for a good while, and I do not care at all for the changes in the sport over the past few years.
 
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Mulberry Heel said:
He's been up and down, but in his first four seasons he had two bad seasons and two good ones (we went 29-8 and were a #1 seed just a couple of years ago) and we got off to a very good start this season, although it's certainly gone south lately. I'm well aware that he had no head coaching experience when he was hired but liked him personally, liked his connections to Coach Smith and Coach Williams (who placed a great deal of faith and trust in him), and given that he was our head coach I certainly hoped that he would grow into the job, and expected that he might have some growing pains along the way.

Having said that, I also agreed that this season was make-or-break for him and while he started off well it certainly isn't looking very good right now, and if things don't turn around I do think that he'll be gone at the end of the season, and probably should be. I will admit that I have been skeptical of the motivations of some (not all, but some) of those who have relentlessly criticized him, and even if I do agree at the end of the season that it's time for him to go, as someone who is old enough to fondly remember him playing for Coach Smith I will not indulge in the personal attacks that some so gleefully seem to be doing, not so much here as on the old IC (On3) and 247. I'll also admit that my affection for college basketball and football in general has been waning for a good while, and I do not care at all for the changes in the sport over the past few years.
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I would say he's had a really good season and a magical 2 months. We were an 8 seed going into that magical run. Also, that great start was against some really really bad teams.
 
For those in the know, what has changed in his coaching since the beginning? By this I mean, can y'all give me examples of times where HD/staff failed in some aspect of the game, identified that failure and the reason for it, and corrected it? To me, I'm not seeing much growth from this staff since they've taken over. Much of the same things they're doing now, they did last year, the year before, and so on.
 
Our guards are just too slow, and we lack the front court depth to funnel the drivers to our bigs to depend on their shot blocking to (over) compensate for that deficiency.

Not smart enough as a coach to fix that, but am smart enough as a fan who once played in hs to identify the issue.

And now as an alum who looks at the coaches who are well paid who now must figure out how to best mitigate this obvious fact.

That's about it in terms of analysis, pretty damn clear
 
stankeylegjones said:
I would say he's had a really good season and a magical 2 months. We were an 8 seed going into that magical run. Also, that great start was against some really really bad teams.
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Yes, but that was a helluva run over those two months, and one of greatest in UNC history - we humiliated our greatest rival's greatest coach in his last home game, and then did it again just a few weeks later in the Final Four and ended his career. That's no small thing. And I'm well aware that our great start this year was against some bad teams, but we did get off to a great start nonetheless, although it's certainly gone sharply south over the past few games.
 
stankeylegjones said:
For those in the know, what has changed in his coaching since the beginning? By this I mean, can y'all give me examples of times where HD/staff failed in some aspect of the game, identified that failure and the reason for it, and corrected it? To me, I'm not seeing much growth from this staff since they've taken over. Much of the same things they're doing now, they did last year, the year before, and so on.
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His first year, they tried to run Roy’s offense for the first half of the season. They switched it up to a 4-out offense in the BC game. At that point, things clicked for that team.

This season, they’re featuring a lot more big to big action than they’ve used in the past.
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So there has been some changes, but not many. And I don’t see many in-game adjustments with the exception of some surprise traps.
 
Icky Mettle said:
To put things in perspective, Stanford played a guy for 24 minutes who played DIII college ball for the previous 3 years. And the guy who went 6-7 from 3 and scored 20 points on us played DII college ball for the previous 3 years. So we got beat by a team that was giving substantial minutes to guys who played DIII and DII until this season.
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Bennett Stirtz was 2nd team all conference in DII as a sophomore, and he's top 25 on the Wooden watch list for player of the year as a senior.
Andy Enfield (yes, that Andy Enfield) held the NCAA FT% record, and he played at DIII Johns Hopkins.
DII and DIII players can shoot if left open. Carolina's defense, which had been really good for 14 games has been terrible for the last 3.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Yes, but that was a helluva run over those two months, and one of greatest in UNC history - we humiliated our greatest rival's greatest coach in his last home game, and then did it again just a few weeks later in the Final Four and ended his career. That's no small thing. And I'm well aware that our great start this year was against some bad teams, but we did get off to a great start nonetheless, although it's certainly gone sharply south over the past few games.
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Respectfully, this would be like Michigan football fans saying a coach should stay just because he once ruined Ohio State's dream season. The Final Four run bought Hubert this year but that can only go so far.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Respectfully, this would be like Michigan football fans saying a coach should stay just because he once ruined Ohio State's dream season. The Final Four run bought Hubert this year but that can only go so far.
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I was replying to the dismissal of Hubert's first season on the basis that we were a #8 seed, which completely overlooks what a great season that turned out to be. I was often struck that season by how dismissive many UNC fans were on IC of how great that season ended - on the free board there were posters still complaining about Hubert and how that season had gone overall even when we were in the Final Four and beat dook, which struck me (then and now) as absurd.

And I didn't say that Hubert should stay as coach because of his first season, and in fact I have already posted that this season was make-or-break for him and as of right now it doesn't look good for him, and if things continue to go south I agree that he should be let go at the end of the season. But I do think that even if he is fired or steps down he will always hold a place in UNC coaching lore for our great run at the end of his first season. He may turn out not to have been the right coach for us in the long run, but being the only UNC coach to beat dook in the NCAA tounament, and in the Final Four no less, and to send K into retirement, is still a pretty damned good legacy even if he is let go.
 
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