Biorhythms for UNC @state college: 7 pm Start

heelinhell said:
We have been a 3 man team( Seth, Henri, Caleb ) from the get-go. I doubt that even Roy could coach this rag tag bunch to a victory over ncst on their home court.

Without Caleb and Henri we could lose the remainder of our games. I'm guessing we could win two more (Sy, VT ) but more likely it would be a 1-4 finish.

I think HD's record vs. ncst is 6-3 counting the loss last night.
Click to expand...
I know you are firmly entrenched in the Hubert wars and I'm not taking a shot at him. I also don't think Roy would have won last night. However, if you think Roy would have walked in there and gotten his ass handed to him in that manner, then you and I just disagree. Roy would have kicked the team's ass from one side of that locker room to the other at halftime and they would have come out with a whole different level of fire. They would have still lost but it wouldn't have been a beatdown.

And again, that is NOT a knock on HD. I can't say that enough because we have reached the point where any mention of him is poison on the board. It just is what it is and is my observation of the difference between him and Roy in NCSU games.
 
heelinhell said:
We have been a 3 man team( Seth, Henri, Caleb ) from the get-go. I doubt that even Roy could coach this rag tag bunch to a victory over ncst on their home court.

Without Caleb and Henri we could lose the remainder of our games. I'm guessing we could win two more (Sy, VT ) but more likely it would be a 1-4 finish.

I think HD's record vs. ncst is 6-3 counting the loss last night.
Click to expand...
It not the loss, its the blowout. Not only did Syracuse and Wake Forest make games competitive because they kept fighting... NAVY was more competitive.

Those are North Carolina scholarship players... and from their recruiting rankings actually don't look that different than the guys who were playing at state.

Winning would've been tough but that was not a 20+ point spread.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I know you are firmly entrenched in the Hubert wars and I'm not taking a shot at him. I also don't think Roy would have won last night. However, if you think Roy would have walked in there and gotten his ass handed to him in that manner, then you and I just disagree. Roy would have kicked the team's ass from one side of that locker room to the other at halftime and they would have come out with a whole different level of fire. They would have still lost but it wouldn't have been a beatdown.

And again, that is NOT a knock on HD. I can't say that enough because we have reached the point where any mention of him is poison on the board. It just is what it is and is my observation of the difference between him and Roy in NCSU games.
Click to expand...
It was not a game (or a season) I was able to watch but records tell me that we were down double digits in about five minutes and lost by 21 at home to Louisville in 2019. Is this vastly different? Did the ass kicking that Roy assumedly gave them at the half make it respectable?

Don't get me wrong. I didn't like a fucking thing I saw last night but sometimes shit happens and you can't stop it. Let's treat it like the anomaly it is and see if it's a wake up or start of a breakdown. It's just not the sort of game or circumstances to draw conclusions from.
 
Last edited:
wmheel1287 said:
I know you are firmly entrenched in the Hubert wars and I'm not taking a shot at him. I also don't think Roy would have won last night. However, if you think Roy would have walked in there and gotten his ass handed to him in that manner, then you and I just disagree. Roy would have kicked the team's ass from one side of that locker room to the other at halftime and they would have come out with a whole different level of fire. They would have still lost but it wouldn't have been a beatdown.

And again, that is NOT a knock on HD. I can't say that enough because we have reached the point where any mention of him is poison on the board. It just is what it is and is my observation of the difference between him and Roy in NCSU games.
Click to expand...
 
I wasn't thinking you were taking a shot at Hubert in general so no worries. Originally, I was a Wes supporter but have argued Coach Davis deserved to build back a program that had suffered in Roy's last two years.

With NIL and transfer portals, it is difficult for me to evaluate Hubert as a coach in this brave new world in college basketball. My biggest disappointment is the talent we have lost to the transfer portal.

Cadeau
Nickel
Lubin
Washington

add Trimble, Caleb, and Henri and that is a superior rotation to what we have today
 
finesse said:
It was not a game (or a season) I was able to watch but records tell me that we were down double digits in about five minutes and lost by 21 at home to Louisville in 2019. Is this vastly different? Did the ass kicking that Roy assumedly gave them at the half make it respectable?

Don't get me wrong. I didn't like a fucking thing I saw last night but sometimes shit happens and you can't stop it. Let's treat it like the anomaly it is and see if it's a wake up or start of a breakdown. It's just not the sort of game or circumstances to draw conclusions from.
Click to expand...
Yes, it is vastly different. My entire supposition was based on Roy taking things to a different level against NC State. He always did. I never said I drew any conclusions from it. I said last night was predictable in the loss but the margin was probably worse than it should have been because NC State had more "fire"...which was the only dynamic that might have been different under Roy against them.
 
heelinhell said:
I wasn't thinking you were taking a shot at Hubert in general so no worries. Originally, I was a Wes supporter but have argued Coach Davis deserved to build back a program that had suffered in Roy's last two years.

With NIL and transfer portals, it is difficult for me to evaluate Hubert as a coach in this brave new world in college basketball. My biggest disappointment is the talent we have lost to the transfer portal.

Cadeau
Nickel
Lubin
Washington

add Trimble, Caleb, and Henri and that is a superior rotation to what we have today
Click to expand...
That's not how it works though.
 
The entire game would have gone differently from the tip had Wilson and Veesaar been in the line-up. Had even one of them played that game would have featured different strategies from both teams.

It is possible to deal with limitations across the board when the entire scheme of the season -- i.e., how we practice to play -- is not broken up by injury. The more monumental the losses to injury the more challenging to deal with. Obviously losing Wilson and Veesaar was the most damaging losses to any two players on the team on an essentially insurmountable level given the circumstances laid out for the trip to Raleigh last night.

That said, some of the players folded to my eyes in the second half -- at least it seemed that way -- like some friends of mine have indicated, they turned it off about five minutes into the second half -- did some players do the same (?) -- I'd have to watch the game again to really dig into that. Life's too short to view that mess over though so I'll leave that to the coaches to evaluate and address.

Frankly, I'm going to chalk this up to even the most mangy dogs having their day and carry on. We have every reason to believe that Wilson and Veesaar will be back. We've got 5 more conference games to go before the tournament.

At Syracuse Saturday 2/21, Louisville Monday 2/23, Virginia Tech Saturday 2/28, Clemson Tuesday 3/3, and at dook Saturday 3/7.

We need to take at least two of those with Syracuse and VT being the most likely. Playing like we did last night won't bring that result so either the Bigs return or something, perhaps radical, has to happen strategically and tactically.
 
Last edited:
Bigs23 said:
That's not how it works though.
Click to expand...
I'm an old codger so I have no idea how it works

With NIL I assume it is the money and the promise of increased playing time if you stay with the program ?

Cadeau got plenty of playing time so it must have been the NIL
Lubin got playing time but not promised more to come back ? or was it NIL ?
The story is that Nickel was told he was not getting more playing time if he returned
With Washington I'm guessing much the same as Nickel when it came to playing time ?

Didn't we pay several million to this year's transfers ?

I've been day drinking since 7am so I would so appreciate it if someone could explain this to me like I'm a two year old ( shout out to Denzel Washington )
 
Last edited:
I had the TV muted and lost my radio sync pretty early on...have no idea if anyone was talking about it but what was the deal with wade and that ref that looked like Earl Morrell -- they seemed mighty chummy.
 
heelinhell said:
I'm an old codger so I have no idea how it works

With NIL I assume it is the money and the promise of increased playing time if you stay with the program ?

Cadeau got plenty of playing time so it must have been the NIL
Lubin got playing time but not promised more to come back ? or was it NIL ?
The story is that Nickel was told he was not getting more playing time if he returned
With Washington I'm guessing much the same as Nickel when it came to playing time ?

Didn't we pay several million to this year's transfers ?

I've been day drinking since 7am so I would so appreciate it if someone could explain this to me like I'm a two year old ( shout out to Denzel Washington )
Click to expand...
I'll give you the conventional wisdom for each of these players. Note: NIL is a big part of where folks go, but not the only thing that is important...playing time, fit, comfort/happiness with coaches, perceived path to NBA, etc.

Cadeau - Likely a lack of fit within the program/offensive system, plus a perceived rift with the HC. Also, probably lose Trimble if retain Cadeau.

Lubin - A combination of role and NIL. It was obvious that even after last season we didn't see him as a starter/priority inside after recruiting Wilson, Veesaar, & Stevenson. He had agreed to return, but changed his mind after State came calling with better NIL and role.

Nickel - Viewed by the program as a developmental piece who could earn time further down the road, left to pursue more immediate playing time. I would guess got more immediate raise in NIL commensurate with greater role at new school.

Washington - Much like Lubin, it was pretty clear the staff didn't view him as a starter/priority player going forward (was probably even behind Lubin on the depth chart) and left for a place where he'd have a better fit and role.
 
finesse said:
Not last night just like the 93 national championship team wasn't better than Wake Forest the night they beat us 88-62. That's the sort of unpredictability that makes you actually play the games and not just calculate them.
Click to expand...
Yes. we just have had 2 of those nights in the last 8 days
SnoopRob said:
I'll give you the conventional wisdom for each of these players. Note: NIL is a big part of where folks go, but not the only thing that is important...playing time, fit, comfort/happiness with coaches, perceived path to NBA, etc.

Cadeau - Likely a lack of fit within the program/offensive system, plus a perceived rift with the HC. Also, probably lose Trimble if retain Cadeau.

Lubin - A combination of role and NIL. It was obvious that even after last season we didn't see him as a starter/priority inside after recruiting Wilson, Veesaar, & Stevenson. He had agreed to return, but changed his mind after State came calling with better NIL and role.

Nickel - Viewed by the program as a developmental piece who could earn time further down the road, left to pursue more immediate playing time. I would guess got more immediate raise in NIL commensurate with greater role at new school.

Washington - Much like Lubin, it was pretty clear the staff didn't view him as a starter/priority player going forward (was probably even behind Lubin on the depth chart) and left for a place where he'd have a better fit and role.
Click to expand...
Every one of those guys is starting on a better team than us right now too
 
Need to beat Syracuse and Virginia Tech, and at least one against Louisville, Clemson and Duke. If they lose to either Syracuse or VT, and drop 2 of 3 to the others then they are going to be a 6 or worse seed in the tournament.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top