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theel4life said:
Here ya go.
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I'd like some of what he is smoking. I mean, I certainly hope he's right, but what he's saying certainly doesn't seem to match what everyone is seeing and hearing on all of the TV news networks. It seems as if everything is trending Trump's way.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
I'd like some of what he is smoking. I mean, I certainly hope he's right, but what he's saying certainly doesn't seem to match what everyone is seeing and hearing on all of the TV news networks. It seems as if everything is trending Trump's way.
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Yep
 
Why in the world is the election results thread closed when no major network has called the presidency yet?
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Why in the world is the election results thread closed when no major network has called the presidency yet?
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Somehow my edit to the thread title didn’t save. I locked it because people were getting heated and the race in PA had been called.
 
nycfan said:
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Yeah, so why is the thread locked? You need to exercise some judgment here and unlock that thread. You locked the single most important thread this board will have every 4 years because there is some infighting among the Democratic coalition and finger pointing about the loss? That’s going to happen on every thread for the next several months.

There were many great conversations going on in that thread. If there are some people making posts they shouldn’t be making, remove those, don’t lock the election results thread on election night.

The presumptive President elect is literally about to speak on election night and the thread to discuss it on is currently locked.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Yeah, so why is the thread locked? You need to exercise some judgment here and unlock that thread. You locked the single most important thread this board will have every 4 years because there is some infighting among the Democratic coalition and finger pointing about the loss? That’s going to happen on every thread for the next several months.

There were many great conversations going on in that thread. If there are some people making posts they shouldn’t be making, remove those, don’t lock the election results thread on election night.

The presumptive President elect is literally about to speak on election night and the thread to discuss it on is currently locked.
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Was in process of opening a new thread, but fine, re-opened the existing one.
 
gregh1 said:
2026 and 2028?
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Will be good years for whatever party the Democrats become .. If votes happen.

But holy fucking God Democrats have to get dirty and get clear messages out to the idiots that vote against their own interest (Hispanic voters and women)
 
aGDevil2k said:
Will be good years for whatever party the Democrats become .. If votes happen.

But holy fucking God Democrats have to get dirty and get clear messages out to the idiots that vote against their own interest (Hispanic voters and women)
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I see no evidence that we'll have good years in 2026 and 2028. Assuming best case scenario and Trump decides to willingly step down in 2028, we'll have JD Vance to contend with. MAGA loves him, and for all the talk about what a terrible VP candidate he was, his awkwardness and weirdness didn't have any negative effect at the ballot box. He'll be Trump 2.0, with less charisma and more intelligence.

Think about all the advantages we had in this election:

Supposedly a superior ground game.
More money.
Higher voter enthusiasm.
A strong finish the last two weeks while the other side made mistake after mistake.

None of it mattered. The Latino vote betrayed us, the black voters didn't show up (for a black candidate, no less), and that "hidden" Dobbs vote never materialized because when it's all said and done, Republican women still listen to their husbands and vote the way they demand they vote because they were conditioned to believe everything he believes.

And to make things worse, Trump's going to walk away with the popular vote. Look at the electoral map. More states are on the verge of tipping red in the future than tipping blue. For the first time in a decade, we have to admit that there are now more of them than there are of us. Even getting rid of the electoral college wouldn't have helped us last night. We're inexplicably outnumbered by a mass of people that support a 34 count felon who ended his last term by inciting an insurrection against our own government. And to top it off, he made GAINS with populations of our people that stand to lose the most when he takes over in January.

I'm just very disheartened. And to top it off, I have to head to work in an hour with basically a half an our of restless sleep under my belt.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
I see no evidence that we'll have good years in 2026 and 2028. Assuming best case scenario and Trump decides to willingly step down in 2028, we'll have JD Vance to contend with. MAGA loves him, and for all the talk about what a terrible VP candidate he was, his awkwardness and weirdness didn't have any negative effect at the ballot box. He'll be Trump 2.0, with less charisma and more intelligence.

Think about all the advantages we had in this election:

Supposedly a superior ground game.
More money.
Higher voter enthusiasm.
A strong finish the last two weeks while the other side made mistake after mistake.

None of it mattered. The Latino vote betrayed us, the black voters didn't show up (for a black candidate, no less), and that "hidden" Dobbs vote never materialized because when it's all said and done, Republican women still listen to their husbands and vote the way they demand they vote because they were conditioned to believe everything he believes.

And to make things worse, Trump's going to walk away with the popular vote. Look at the electoral map. More states are on the verge of tipping red in the future than tipping blue. For the first time in a decade, we have to admit that there are now more of them than there are of us. Even getting rid of the electoral college wouldn't have helped us last night. We're inexplicably outnumbered by a mass of people that support a 34 count felon who ended his last term by inciting an insurrection against our own government. And to top it off, he made GAINS with populations of our people that stand to lose the most when he takes over in January.

I'm just very disheartened. And to top it off, I have to head to work in an hour with basically a half an our of restless sleep under my belt.
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Not that the popular votes means anything-But it is really being kicked in the head as your down
 
WaynetheDrain said:
I see no evidence that we'll have good years in 2026 and 2028. Assuming best case scenario and Trump decides to willingly step down in 2028, we'll have JD Vance to contend with. MAGA loves him, and for all the talk about what a terrible VP candidate he was, his awkwardness and weirdness didn't have any negative effect at the ballot box. He'll be Trump 2.0, with less charisma and more intelligence.

Think about all the advantages we had in this election:

Supposedly a superior ground game.
More money.
Higher voter enthusiasm.
A strong finish the last two weeks while the other side made mistake after mistake.

None of it mattered. The Latino vote betrayed us, the black voters didn't show up (for a black candidate, no less), and that "hidden" Dobbs vote never materialized because when it's all said and done, Republican women still listen to their husbands and vote the way they demand they vote because they were conditioned to believe everything he believes.

And to make things worse, Trump's going to walk away with the popular vote. Look at the electoral map. More states are on the verge of tipping red in the future than tipping blue. For the first time in a decade, we have to admit that there are now more of them than there are of us. Even getting rid of the electoral college wouldn't have helped us last night. We're inexplicably outnumbered by a mass of people that support a 34 count felon who ended his last term by inciting an insurrection against our own government. And to top it off, he made GAINS with populations of our people that stand to lose the most when he takes over in January.

I'm just very disheartened. And to top it off, I have to head to work in an hour with basically a half an our of restless sleep under my belt.
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I see Trump in the same way I see Obama. That his favorability and cult-like following doesn't translate.

Everyone thought 8 years of a charismatic AFAM would lead this country into a new age and well, it didn't. I don't think MAGA reforms this country to fit its image either. I just think Democrats chose poor opposition in 2 of 3 races against a unique candidate whose ability to say stupid shit seemingly stuck with a large portion of the electorate.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
And to make things worse, Trump's going to walk away with the popular vote. Look at the electoral map. More states are on the verge of tipping red in the future than tipping blue.
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The evangelicals quite simply out bred the liberals. Same story as in Israel. This is why religion is still around
 
So many thoughts this morning. Figured I'd post a few here and then I'll probably be scarce for a little while. This was an exhausting election, and I'm planning to focus on helping my immediate family have a fairly normal holiday season. My wife and daughter in particular are devastated this morning.

1. I was completely and totally wrong about how this election would go. I really thought America was just asking for a sane, competent alternative to the insanity of Trump and the incompetence of Biden. That's exactly what the Dems offered up. But America apparently prefers chaos and disruption to stability, emotional overreaction to logic and facts, malignant immorality and divisiveness to a message of unity. So be it. There are no excuses for this one. Trump is a fully known entity, and yet people chose him. Trump would have won easily even without the democracy-distorting Electoral College. Pretty much every state, group, and demographic other than college-educated women appears to have shifted heavily to Trump. This is clearly what America wants. Which means it's not the America I thought it was. But again, so be it.

2. I've been thinking about the pattern of wild swings and anti-incumbent sentiment we're seeing not just in the US, but also in comparable democracies like the UK and France. I really do wonder if, in some ways, this is the modern response to a world that no longer has massive global wars every few decades. Those wars, which basically defined Western history for centuries, had the effect of disrupting societies and changing power dynamics in radical and unpredictable ways. I wonder if the human spirit is just wired to want disruption and chaos after a certain amount of time, and in the absence of global wars, we're seeing that play out through the political process. If that's the case, I guess this is better than another world war. But it's very hard to understand the mindset of someone who would play Russian roulette with the country in the wild and almost certainly misguided hope that their personal situation might improve a tiny bit. How selfish and short-sighted does that person have to be?

3. I hope we can all find it in ourselves to keep helping the most marginalized people and groups in our community, even if the exit polling suggests many of them either voted for the pain that's likely coming their way, or just didn't vote at all. I have very little interest in continuing to use federal resources to help those people who are not disadvantaged and continue to support Trump, even though those tend to be the biggest "takers" in our current system. But the marginalized among us will need help regardless of what they thought about this election, and while it's hard to care much right now, I hope we can continue to be there for them as the federal government backs away.
 
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