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Callatoroy said:
I think returning control of education back to the states is reform.
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So given the fact that GQPer led red states are the worst when it comes to the quality and performance in educating kids, and Dem led blue states excel in educating kids, should we encourage GQPers who control education in red states to consult with Dem led blue states to improve public education in those red states ?

Red states really need reform when it comes to public education, and I am confident blue states would give them advice as what they should do to improve public education in their states.

Do you think Dem led blue states could be helpful advising GQPer led red states ?
 
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Callatoroy said:
How many kids have you parented through school? My kids schools weren't poorly funded and they still sucked. By and large, democrats have been in control of education in this country for decades (secondary and higher ed). We spend more than any other country and get lousy results. The bureaucracy in education has steadily grown since the fed g'ment got involved and the left dominated leadership positions. That bureaucracy is expensive and causes gross inefficiency. The parents we know (an urban area, well funded, conservative state) are fed up with the inefficiency, g'ment required programs that require ever more administrators that suck up resources, and liberal operational and behavioral policies. Any action that gets the left out of leadership roles in education is a move that I support. The left's policies have reduced the standards to the point where its all driven from the bottom up.
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Agree. I live in the City of Atlanta, which forced me to send my kids to private schools….and City schools are VERY well funded - so that’s not the issue.
 
Callatoroy said:
How many kids have you parented through school? My kids schools weren't poorly funded and they still sucked. By and large, democrats have been in control of education in this country for decades (secondary and higher ed). We spend more than any other country and get lousy results. The bureaucracy in education has steadily grown since the fed g'ment got involved and the left dominated leadership positions. That bureaucracy is expensive and causes gross inefficiency. The parents we know (an urban area, well funded, conservative state) are fed up with the inefficiency, g'ment required programs that require ever more administrators that suck up resources, and liberal operational and behavioral policies. Any action that gets the left out of leadership roles in education is a move that I support. The left's policies have reduced the standards to the point where its all driven from the bottom up.
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How many kids have I parented? Via sperm injection...zero. through the definition of parenting that includes taking care, providing resources, spending time, etc...hundreds. I would daresay I have far more involvement with elementary and junior high aged children than the vast majority of biological parents in this country.

Are you familiar with the role of a guardian ad litem?
 
CFordUNC said:
But that’s where it already is. Every individual state already controls what goes in the curricula in their respective public schools. The federal government, or more specifically the DOE, doesn’t set curricula. The feds provide additional funding, particularly for students with disabilities and students from low-income families, and conduct and disseminate research into educational best practices. But actual setting of curricula is the responsibility of state and local jurisdictions. In fact, the whole reason why there is an entire universe of qualitative difference between, say, public schools in Massachusetts and Mississippi or Oklahoma, is precisely *because* control of education already resides with the states.
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I'm not disputing curricula. I'm talking about fed requirements, liberal operational and behavioral policies, and a bottom up approach. No Child Left Behind (Rep led) and ESSA sound great from a macro level but require a tremendous amount of resources to implement and document. The unintended consequences are never considered and fed programs are always rigid and inefficient. The left is so focused on the lowest performers that it fails to meet the needs of the top performers because of their rigidity and lack of common sense. So again, anything that gets the left out of decision making positions within education is something I fully support.
 
Callatoroy said:
How many kids have you parented through school? My kids schools weren't poorly funded and they still sucked. By and large, democrats have been in control of education in this country for decades (secondary and higher ed). We spend more than any other country and get lousy results. The bureaucracy in education has steadily grown since the fed g'ment got involved and the left dominated leadership positions. That bureaucracy is expensive and causes gross inefficiency. The parents we know (an urban area, well funded, conservative state) are fed up with the inefficiency, g'ment required programs that require ever more administrators that suck up resources, and liberal operational and behavioral policies. Any action that gets the left out of leadership roles in education is a move that I support. The left's policies have reduced the standards to the point where its all driven from the bottom up.
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The system of higher education in America has been quite literally the envy of the world for more than five decades. Gotta give the libs some credit there, right? Almost every single technological, entrepreneurial, and scientific advancement that enabled our country to become the greatest economic and technological superpower the world has ever known, came from research conducted on university campuses.

And if the libs are so awful at controlling secondary education, why is it that an enormous disproportionate amount of students who matriculate to college campuses in every state come from ‘blue’ areas (i.e. Mecklenburg, Wake, Orange) vs. ‘red’ areas? I’m not being snarky, I’m genuinely asking.
 
wmheel1287 said:
How many kids have I parented? Via sperm injection...zero. through the definition of parenting that includes taking care, providing resources, spending time, etc...hundreds. I would daresay I have far more involvement with elementary and junior high aged children than the vast majority of biological parents in this country.

Are you familiar with the role of a guardian ad litem?
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While admirable, not remotely the same. Until you have your own kids you can't relate to what parents feel as it applies to their kids.
 
What a spectacular coincidence it must be that states like Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Oklahoma- some of the most deeply red states in the country where Republicans are entirely in control of every single lever of power at every level in the state- have such awful educational outcomes compared to states like Massachusetts, New Jersey, Washington state, etc. where the inverse is true.
 
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