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finesse said:
The fault is that is that it's obvious to the point of triteness. There's no value in pointing out something that to them is ,at worst, a quirk.
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No, the fault is that you don't respect opinions of those who disagree with you and if they do disagree it must be due to some character flaw.
 
I know it seems like I am a reflexive basher of Republicans, but it’s because I was once that I have such revulsion for what the party has become. This whole conversation about educational outcomes is a perfect case in point of the notion that Republicans are excellent at grievance politics and awful at effective policy implementation. That’s exactly why they do so well while in the minority and so poorly when they’re in the majority. They’ve got an entire insulated media ecosystem designed to sell anger and fear instead of selling solutions or fixes to problems.

There is very little that unites Republicans and Democrats anymore, but I would posit that love for their children and grandchildren is something that is universal. I don’t actually believe that Republicans want their children and grandchildren to have awful educations, but I do believe that Republicans are so hellbent on dismantling the entire governmental apparatus and stripping it down and selling it for parts to the private sector that their policies completely annihilate K-12 education in places where Republicans are in the majority. It’s because Republicans have way too much time for grievance and anger, and not enough time for nuance and collaborative policymaking and implementation. It’s a lot easier to scream about “WOKENESS” being the cause of all that ails public education in our country instead of rolling up your sleeves and figuring out exactly what’s wrong and how to fix it.
 
CFordUNC said:
The system of higher education in America has been quite literally the envy of the world for more than five decades. Gotta give the libs some credit there, right? Almost every single technological, entrepreneurial, and scientific advancement that enabled our country to become the greatest economic and technological superpower the world has ever known, came from research conducted on university campuses.

And if the libs are so awful at controlling secondary education, why is it that an enormous disproportionate amount of students who matriculate to college campuses in every state come from ‘blue’ areas (i.e. Mecklenburg, Wake, Orange) vs. ‘red’ areas? I’m not being snarky, I’m genuinely asking.
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Population density
 
Callatoroy said:
Are you of the belief that black, asian, and latino kids don't go to private schools?
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The public school in Buckhead where aroused ram is from is 67% minority population (and of high quality). The private school in the area is about 23%. But i’m sure race has nothing to do with why Ram sent his kids to the private school
 
Callatoroy said:
I'm not disputing curricula. I'm talking about fed requirements, liberal operational and behavioral policies, and a bottom up approach. No Child Left Behind (Rep led) and ESSA sound great from a macro level but require a tremendous amount of resources to implement and document. The unintended consequences are never considered and fed programs are always rigid and inefficient. The left is so focused on the lowest performers that it fails to meet the needs of the top performers because of their rigidity and lack of common sense. So again, anything that gets the left out of decision making positions within education is something I fully support.
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FWIW, I think I agree at least somewhat with your statement about the left being laser focused on meeting the needs of the lowest performers at the expense of meeting the needs of the top performers. Admittedly I don’t have the data to back up that notion other than it’s what my personal perception has been, but at least from my point of view, I don’t think you are entirely wrong.

I do think that your desire to remove the left out of decision-making with regards to education is short-sighted, as there is all kinds of data that shows that school systems in left-controlled areas perform significantly better than those in their right counterparts. That does not mean that everything that the left does is perfect by any means, or the everything that the right does is wrong, just that I think you at least have to acknowledge that based on the educational outcome data that we *do* have, that systems of education generally perform better under liberal direction. Of course that’s not to say that they would not benefit from conservative input- they absolutely would. But one of my biggest gripes with the conservative movement- even when I was a staunch one- has always been that I believe that the right has completely surrendered the battlefield of education to the left by refusing to participate in academia on the whole.
 
CFordUNC said:
I know it seems like I am a reflexive basher of Republicans, but it’s because I was once that I have such revulsion for what the party has become. This whole conversation about educational outcomes is a perfect case in point of the notion that Republicans are excellent at grievance politics and awful at effective policy implementation. That’s exactly why they do so well while in the minority and so poorly when they’re in the majority. They’ve got an entire insulated media ecosystem designed to sell anger and fear instead of selling solutions or fixes to problems.

There is very little that unites Republicans and Democrats anymore, but I would posit that love for their children and grandchildren is something that is universal. I don’t actually believe that Republicans want their children and grandchildren to have awful educations, but I do believe that Republicans are so hellbent on dismantling the entire governmental apparatus and stripping it down and selling it for parts to the private sector that their policies completely annihilate K-12 education in places where Republicans are in the majority. It’s because Republicans have way too much time for grievance and anger, and not enough time for nuance and collaborative policymaking and implementation. It’s a lot easier to scream about “WOKENESS” being the cause of all that ails public education in our country instead of rolling up your sleeves and figuring out exactly what’s wrong and how to fix it.
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What is that media ecosystem that sells anger and fear? Is that unique to the right or does the left have that also.

The left has never understood that a one size fits all approach doesn't work in hardly anything, but especially education.
 
uncjhodges said:
The public school in Buckhead where aroused ram is from is 67% minority population (and of high quality). The private school in the area is about 23%. But i’m sure race has nothing to do with why Ram sent his kids to the private school
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He lives in Atlanta. I'm sure if race was a problem for him he would probably choose to live in Salt Lake City
 
Callatoroy said:
What is that media ecosystem that sells anger and fear? Is that unique to the right or does the left have that also.

The left has never understood that a one size fits all approach doesn't work in hardly anything, but especially education.
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I just mean that the Fox News, Newsmax, OANN, radio/podcaster and social media influencer network is vastly, vastly larger and more superior than anything that the left has. I definitely acknowledge the left has MSNBC and CNN. Heck, I’m jealous of the right wing media’s influence. I just mean that the left has historically completely ceded the informational battlefield to the right as it pertains to distribution and dissemination of messaging.
 
Callatoroy said:
I think returning control of education back to the states is reform.
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I guess states like Oklahoma would love this as I'm sure they hate being compared to Massachusetts..

They can them mandate indoctrination through forced prayer. Mandate indoctrination through display of the 10 commandments, AKA trumps weekly entertainment list of things to do. And they can declare themselves number one on their list.
 
It's been my experience with the Chapel Hill Carrboro school system that it's the middle that gets underserved. We sent three through and all three had entirely different experiences ( to be expected to a large extent. My oldest got quite a bit of attention early, especially from the math and science faculty because he was very gifted. He had been in Terry Greenlund's program at Glenwood. He got a lot of attention all through school. So did an entire group of about 30 of the top students in the class.

My daughter was the rebel. She ran away from home about two months before she was 16, which is when the police just won't do much at all, followed the grateful Dead and Phish. slept in flops, under bridges and stuff I don't ever want to know about. It took patience and time but we got her back home in about a year and between some cooperative counselors and my wife's advocacy and adamancy got her back in school, through summer school and she was able to graduate. She later went to community college, did well enough to transfer to UNC and get her degree.

My youngest was a slight above average student who was a slightly above average baseball player. He didn't have a bad experience but I thought he got the least help and support of any of them.

Guess the squeaky wheel still gets the grease.
 
CFordUNC said:
FWIW, I think I agree at least somewhat with your statement about the left being laser focused on meeting the needs of the lowest performers at the expense of meeting the needs of the top performers. Admittedly I don’t have the data to back up that notion other than it’s what my personal perception has been, but at least from my point of view, I don’t think you are entirely wrong.

I do think that your desire to remove the left out of decision-making with regards to education is short-sighted, as there is all kinds of data that shows that school systems in left-controlled areas perform significantly better than those in their right counterparts. That does not mean that everything that the left does is perfect by any means, or the everything that the right does is wrong, just that I think you at least have to acknowledge that based on the educational outcome data that we *do* have, that systems of education generally perform better under liberal direction. Of course that’s not to say that they would not benefit from conservative input- they absolutely would. But one of my biggest gripes with the conservative movement- even when I was a staunch one- has always been that I believe that the right has completely surrendered the battlefield of education to the left by refusing to participate in academia on the whole.
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The right absolutely screwed themselves by allowing the left to monopolize education. And my position on this, or any other topic, has never been for the right to monopolize anything. I fully acknowledge that if given total control, the right would end up screwing things up just as bad, only in other ways.
 
finesse said:
It's been my experience with the Chapel Hill Carrboro school system that it's the middle that gets underserved. We sent three through and all three had entirely different experiences ( to be expected to a large extent. My oldest got quite a bit of attention early, especially from the math and science faculty because he was very gifted. He had been in Terry Greenlund's program at Glenwood. He got a lot of attention all through school. So did an entire group of about 30 of the top students in the class.

My daughter was the rebel. She ran away from home about two months before she was 16, which is when the police just won't do much at all, followed the grateful Dead and Phish. slept in flops, under bridges and stuff I don't ever want to know about. It took patience and time but we got her back home in about a year and between some cooperative counselors and my wife's advocacy and adamancy got her back in school, through summer school and she was able to graduate. She later went to community college, did well enough to transfer to UNC and get her degree.

My youngest was a slight above average student who was a slightly above average baseball player. He didn't have a bad experience but I thought he got the least help and support of any of them.

Guess the squeaky wheel still gets the grease.
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And my preference is for a system that has the ability to serve all of them, though not necessarily in the same school.
 
Callatoroy said:
The right absolutely screwed themselves by allowing the left to monopolize education. And my position on this, or any other topic, has never been for the right to monopolize anything. I fully acknowledge that if given total control, the right would end up screwing things up just as bad, only in other ways.
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I hear you and I think I’m with you.
 
Callatoroy said:
Population density
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Callatoroy said:
He lives in Atlanta. I'm sure if race was a problem for him he would probably choose to live in Salt Lake City
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Back in the mid- 1970s I lived in Peachtree Hills halfway between mid town and Buckhead. There were next no minority folks living near me and I imagine even fewer living in upper crust Buckhead.

I guess 45 years later demographics have changed quite a bit. I would be curious to know where the influx of minority folks live in Buckhead today ? Maybe ram can inform me.
 
wmheel1287 said:
It is the nearly universal explanation for kids in private schools in the South....ESPECIALLY on your age bracket.
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50 - 60 years ago. My kids were in private school 10 or so years ago. Times change. We’re not forever locked in the 60s and early 70s
 
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