California Fires - Politics of Blame & Trump water claims

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So your "frame of reference" is that 60 years ago you lived in an area adjacent to those that were impacted by Hurricane Helene?

Jesus Christ you are exhausting.
You made a point of noting of my residence in Buckhead, implying I was an out of touch observer. I merely advised, in response, that I grew up in WNC (not 60 years ago) and have a frame of reference of the area and people. I don’t know why that would generate such a hostile response but I guess it’s just par for the course.
 
You made a point of noting of my residence in Buckhead, implying I was an out of touch observer. I merely advised, in response, that I grew up in WNC (not 60 years ago) and have a frame of reference of the area and people. I don’t know why that would generate such a hostile response but I guess it’s just par for the course.
It's not the fact of where you once lived. It's that you are spreading lies, and when people who are literally on the ground telling you what is happening, you are refusing to believe them. It's in that context that you noted your prior residence in the area, which matters not at all to what is going on here.

I used to live in Los Angeles, 40 years ago. That does not give me any insight at all as to what is happening with the fires out there. So too with your former residence in North Carolina. It gives you no insight at all.
 
My hunch is that the majority of folks who are being threatened with termination of services are folks who didn't follow through on the process and it's likely they never submitted an application to continue services, didn't respond to attempts to contact them, or they didn't follow through with getting an updated inspection on their permanent property.
My hunch is that the majority of folks in this category are already living somewhere else, and are using the hotels for storage or for an occasional stay. That's likely why they aren't submitting an application for continuation. They don't need it because they are already staying elsewhere.
 
I'm pretty far from a bleeding heart, but kicking folks out of their hotels (after a disaster) in 14 degree weather seems a bit harsh. We treat "migrants" better than that by putting them up in Manhattan hotels and giving them debit cards.
The reason those migrants are in Manhattan is that they were bused there by Abbot and DeSantis. Hmm. Maybe it wasn't a great idea to ship them to the most expensive real estate in the entire country. How this is liberals' fault is beyond me.

Should we add cause and effect to the alarmingly long list of basic concepts you fail to grasp?
 
No question natural disasters occur and there's only so much you can do about it. In this case, the unusually high winds - which changed directions repeatedly spreading new fires in all directions. But, is it your contention that the local and state officials handled matters appropriately? They had several days to prepare and it's not like this is the first wildfire they've had to fight in SoCal. My point is that the local residents will decide whom to hold to account and what changes need to be made.
Several days to prepare? Several days? You think that is enough time? I mean, do you have any idea what you are talking about?

Seriously -- have you ever been to a big city? Presumably you've been to Atlanta. When you were there, did you notice the density of the buildings there? The sheer magnitude of the geography that has been built up by decades of construction? Now, think about that, and multiply by 3 because LA is that much bigger.
And then ponder to yourself, "what would be required to fireproof the 8000 square miles that comprises the Atlanta metro area, with the trillions of tons of building materials and the vast quantities of vegetation that I won't even try to estimate"? Would the answer be "several days" or "several years"? And then triple the estimate.

Several days. My God. Even Trump isn't that stupid.
 
I guess I didn’t read everything up to now… so what does all this have to do with fires in California? I understand this is the political pissing match thread pertaining to the fires… but…

Anyway, the politicization - of the Hurricane in WNC and now the fires in California - is beyond the pale. And I believe we all know which side of the aisle chooses to purposefully try to score political points on a catastrophic event.

The same side which voted in the narcissistic arsehole who has an issue with flying flags at half staff because a President has passed away… thinking that it somehow diminishes his inauguration. The nerve of the guy. Piss on him. But if he were on fire, I wouldn’t!
 
Several days to prepare? Several days? You think that is enough time? I mean, do you have any idea what you are talking about?

Seriously -- have you ever been to a big city? Presumably you've been to Atlanta. When you were there, did you notice the density of the buildings there? The sheer magnitude of the geography that has been built up by decades of construction? Now, think about that, and multiply by 3 because LA is that much bigger.
And then ponder to yourself, "what would be required to fireproof the 8000 square miles that comprises the Atlanta metro area, with the trillions of tons of building materials and the vast quantities of vegetation that I won't even try to estimate"? Would the answer be "several days" or "several years"? And then triple the estimate.

Several days. My God. Even Trump isn't that stupid.
A few days (like for hurricane prep) gives you time to:
Call up the national guard - to prevent looting
Organize law enforcement for traffic control for evacuations
Get shelters prepared and stocked with supplies

Mayor Bass was more concerned with her junket to Africa than bothering with basic prep.

Let’s return to this issue in a few months and see if the local residents are placing medals on the politicians and officials who were in charge.
 
A few days (like for hurricane prep) gives you time to:
Call up the national guard - to prevent looting
Organize law enforcement for traffic control for evacuations
Get shelters prepared and stocked with supplies

Mayor Bass was more concerned with her junket to Africa than bothering with basic prep.

Let’s return to this issue in a few months and see if the local residents are placing medals on the politicians and officials who were in charge.
Victims of fire in California routinely sue everyone and then let the various insurance companies sort it out.

I 100% guaranty City/County will be sued. As will power companies, and anyone with even a tenuous connection to the fires.

Not sure what those complaints will prove other than deep pockets are always probed after fires in California.

I am sure MMQB will show that mistakes were made. That is always the case. Take a look at what caused the airport fire in Orange County a couple of months ago.
 
The beauty is that this debate (who to blame?) is going to play out in real time over the coming weeks and months. Let's see if the local residents, particularly the ones who lost everything, are receptive to Bass, Newsome and the other local officials simply blaming this on "climate," Trump or "we-couldn't-possibly- predicted-this type of natural disaster." Lots of wealthy and important people impacted by this including celebrities - who have access to the media. I predict there's going to be major pushback from these victims and the officials are, for once, going to have to account for their actions and policies and have to answer tough questions from the public and press.

Fast forward 6 months from now, you're going to have tremendous frustration of the public in dealing with California's notoriously rigid permitting and zoning regulations which will slow down, if not halt, these residents from rebuilding their homes.
What’s wrong with Episcopal and Woodberry? Great student pipelines for UNC.
Newsome going to be knocking on trump's door for money to bail him out of the insurance mess he and the legislature made.

 
The idea that any of us can sit here from thousands of miles away and decide right now, while the fires are still raging, what state and local officials could have done differently, and whether they acted "appropriately," is insane. This is part of the problem with modern society generally, and MAGA world specifically: we are so overwhelmed with real-time information (good and bad) that people have this constant urge to rush to judgment and assign blame when in reality it will take weeks and months to gather the information needed to fully assess what went wrong and what could have helped. Many people simply don't have the patience or discernment to wait for further information before heading online to vomit takes everywhere, especially given that modern social media (and, increasingly, modern politics) incentivizes constant screeching invective far more than sober and nuanced judgment.
While you are correct about some disasters, this particular one doesn't fall into that category. CA deals with this in some form almost every year. This isn't a "nobody could have seen this coming" event. The state and local officials dropped the ball in a huge way. Especially given the recent history from which to draw upon.
 
A few days (like for hurricane prep) gives you time to:
Call up the national guard - to prevent looting
Organize law enforcement for traffic control for evacuations
Get shelters prepared and stocked with supplies

Mayor Bass was more concerned with her junket to Africa than bothering with basic prep.

Let’s return to this issue in a few months and see if the local residents are placing medals on the politicians and officials who were in charge.
1. Looting? WTF are you talking about? Who is looting burned down stores?

2. Do you have any reason at all to believe that there is a shortage of supplies in the shelters, or are you making things up again?

3. I hate to tell you, but the mayor is not involved in stocking shelters.

4. Guarantee you that the local residents understand the real problem. It isn't going to work out the way you think it will.
 
Is it your contention that state and local officials didn't handle this correctly? What does "correctly" even mean in this case, what does "incorrectly" mean? What multi-year set of decisions do you see as creating an environment where this was handled incorrectly?

Humans often learn from events. Human often prepare for what they know and what they think they know, they rarely prepare for things they never thought of. This rush to assign blame reeks of our human desire to control (and where convenient, to score some political points). Why didn't we know about that asteroid? Why didn't we know about that undersea earthquake that created a tsunami, why didn't we handle covid perfectly, why did we use DDT? Where to put the blame??????
Yea, they handled this incorrectly. They have a very recent history of wildfires. Like every year. Plus learning from the lessons from Hawaii and other places. This should have been on every elected officials radar given how frequently that area incurs fires. Making sure you have infrastructure, basic traffic management, the correct personnel, etc., isn't asking them to be clairvoyant. Its asking them to be competent.
 
It's the Republican way - use whatever argument works at the time to attack Democrats. It's literally a no-win scenario with them - Democrats use government power and get attacked, they don't use it and get attacked. Very neat system for them.
You might be the biggest hypocrite on the zzl and that is quite an accomplishment.
 
1. Looting? WTF are you talking about? Who is looting burned down stores?

2. Do you have any reason at all to believe that there is a shortage of supplies in the shelters, or are you making things up again?

3. I hate to tell you, but the mayor is not involved in stocking shelters.

4. Guarantee you that the local residents understand the real problem. It isn't going to work out the way you think it will.
There’s looting. There is always looting in LA. It is as much a Southern California tradition as flocked Christmas trees. But it is not disproportionate. And it is mostly in the Altadena area.
 
Newsome going to be knocking on trump's door for money to bail him out of the insurance mess he and the legislature made.

No, he's not going to be knocking on Trump's door. Maybe this is another thing that you fail to understand, like gravity or timeouts. He might asking the federal government. Trump is not co-extensive with the government.

The problem here isn't the insurance mess that CA made any more than the property insurance debacle in Florida is primarily the fault of DeSantis. The main problem is that these places have become uninsurable because of extreme weather.

People have been warning you for three decades about this. For three decades, scientists have been warning that extreme weather events like fires and hurricanes will become more common and more severe because there is so much more energy on Earth now, in the form of heat. You and the GOP refused to listen. You denied and denied. Your team passed laws to prevent states from even considering climate change when making future plans (which is one of the stupidest own goals in history).

And now the scientists' predictions are coming true, and you want to blame the governor of California. Hey, you know what? California has been leading the charge against global warming and all other forms of air pollution for almost half a century. If we all emulated California (and by all I mean Europe and China too), then we wouldn't have uninsurable properties.
 
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