California Fires - Politics of Blame

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nycfan said:
Alright, for the love of … whatever you love, could you guys calm down a bit?

Whoever @MyMaster is game in rhetorical guns blazing but using the same personal attack language already prevalent here the last several pages.

I know it is a political pissing match about a blazing inferno but could everyone take a breath dial back to say 7 or 8 instead of 11?
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nycfan, I appreciate what you do, but can you get over yourself as well?
 
HeelingAg said:
Fwiw, the “debating amongst ourselves” has unequivocally taught me more about political philosophy, law, political action strategies, etiology of the moment, and history, since the formation of this board seven-ish months ago, than I’ve learned in ten years from ttump supporters.

When your movement is fueled by pathological insecurity, narcissism, and hate (and billionaire overlords) truth is rarely on your side; thus, magas have fabricated a system of self affirming delusions and in doing so have rendered their weight in debate (hell, in cursory discourse) that of a helium balloon. In near literal terms, I don’t take what a maga says at face value. I assume they are lying or ignorant or machinating. What I learn from them, on this board, is merely the often hateful, unoriginal right-wing propaganda screed du jour.

I can learn what these maga trolls have to offer by spending 10 mins on various reddit subs, about once a week, or take 5 min to scan ttump’s verbal equivalent of shitting in his hand and rubbing it on his face in the ttump catch-all thread (bc all maga does is parrot him). And to be clear, if we had dyed in the wool magas who debated positions from an evidentiary standpoint AND stood up to cross exam, I’d agree with your position. However, EVERY SINGLE maga eventually turns troll bc
1. It’s exceedingly rare for the evidence to favor their positions
2. Trump has taught them, and/or affirmed their nature, to never admit they’re wrong
3. as result of #2, when their [ahem], shall we say, facile positions get deconstructed they dig deeper and deeper into the fetid pit of right-wing fabrication, AND when that doesn’t work, their personalities and marching orders demand that they disengage from factual debate and turn to straw men, red herrings, and outright trolling.

Everyone has their reason for engaging maga trolls. While that engagement is my least preferred part of this board, and even captures me at times, this board is a lot of things to a lot of people. However, I contend our resident magas aren’t offering anything that scanning ttump’s belligerent tweets don’t offer, aside from confirmation of their very predictable incorporation of talking points and marching orders.
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disagree. If not for me, you would never see or be aware of they hypocrisy that afflicts you. Surely you want to know when you are be hypocritical don't you?
 
Bobfripp said:
And this thinking is exactly why the Pubs call us elites. I'm a PhD scientist, but in a field well outside of politics, economics, and the culture wars. I suggest, engage with these folks, despite your revulsion. i.e., get over yourself.

If you want erudite discussion about politics, economics, etc.. there are probably Reddit forums were you can get your needs met. Is it this forum? I don't know.
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That's interesting Dr. Bob. What discipline?
 
HeelingAg said:
Fwiw, the “debating amongst ourselves” has unequivocally taught me more about political philosophy, law, political action strategies, etiology of the moment, and history, since the formation of this board seven-ish months ago, than I’ve learned in ten years from ttump supporters.

When your movement is fueled by pathological insecurity, narcissism, and hate (and billionaire overlords) truth is rarely on your side; thus, magas have fabricated a system of self affirming delusions and in doing so have rendered their weight in debate (hell, in cursory discourse) that of a helium balloon. In near literal terms, I don’t take what a maga says at face value. I assume they are lying or ignorant or machinating. What I learn from them, on this board, is merely the often hateful, unoriginal right-wing propaganda screed du jour.

I can learn what these maga trolls have to offer by spending 10 mins on various reddit subs, about once a week, or take 5 min to scan ttump’s verbal equivalent of shitting in his hand and rubbing it on his face in the ttump catch-all thread (bc all maga does is parrot him). And to be clear, if we had dyed in the wool magas who debated positions from an evidentiary standpoint AND stood up to cross exam, I’d agree with your position. However, EVERY SINGLE maga eventually turns troll bc
1. It’s exceedingly rare for the evidence to favor their positions
2. Trump has taught them, and/or affirmed their nature, to never admit they’re wrong
3. as result of #2, when their [ahem], shall we say, facile positions get deconstructed they dig deeper and deeper into the fetid pit of right-wing fabrication, AND when that doesn’t work, their personalities and marching orders demand that they disengage from factual debate and turn to straw men, red herrings, and outright trolling.

Everyone has their reason for engaging maga trolls. While that engagement is my least preferred part of this board, and even captures me at times, this board is a lot of things to a lot of people. However, I contend our resident magas aren’t offering anything that scanning ttump’s belligerent tweets don’t offer, aside from confirmation of their very predictable incorporation of talking points and marching orders.
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Well said, but I still prefer "Ignore" and "Super-Ignore." I grew up in an area where the Klan was not only present, but had widespread support. Once one has heard Klan rhetoric undiluted and unfiltered, hearing/seeing/smelling similar piles of turds with bows on top really doesn't improve things.
 
05C40 said:
Well said, but I still prefer "Ignore" and "Super-Ignore." I grew up in an area where the Klan was not only present, but had widespread support. Once one has heard Klan rhetoric undiluted and unfiltered, hearing/seeing/smelling similar piles of turds with bows on top really doesn't improve things.
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Stop being a 'snowflake' ;)
 
ZZLPHeels said:
FYI the right-wing hysterics about the hydrants being dry are completely false. The issue was not a supply problem....the reservoirs that give LA water are completely full. The issue was simply a demand problem. With fires involving a single large building it is common for fire departments to ask the water provider for that area to boost pressure to the hydrants since the fire department is pumping such a large volume of water onto the fire. Now multiply that demand times 5k houses. It simply isn't possible to distribute that much water all at one time.
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stankeylegjones said:
That's pretty neat! I would love to hear about this. Any desire to start a thread where we can learn about the different aspects of what you do, ask questions, etc.?
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I appreciate the thought, but I'd prefer to just add a bit, here and there, if my background in 'brain' helps in any way. ;)
 
05C40 said:
Well said, but I still prefer "Ignore" and "Super-Ignore." I grew up in an area where the Klan was not only present, but had widespread support. Once one has heard Klan rhetoric undiluted and unfiltered, hearing/seeing/smelling similar piles of turds with bows on top really doesn't improve things.
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Yeah, I use them too, for the obvious offenders, which for me equates to 4 magas and 1 very temperamental lib. I still read the concern trolls and bosiders, because even though their schtick is boring and predictable, they do regularly elicit further exposition from folks who really do know their stuff.

And to the Klan stuff, I didn’t grow up with those folks, but numerous adjacents (think bikers and cops of white flight towns). The stuff I heard from an early age about black people, immigrants, women, etc. is the same shit I hear now, just without the overt slurs.
 
Bobfripp said:
Neuroimaging. Our brains are a mess!
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I would have a hundred questions for you but can be put in another thread. But, IYO, do you think MDs have a good understanding between the pros, cons, and limitations of EEG, Mri, and PET? Or are they dependent on people such as yourself for guidance?
 
Callatoroy said:
I would have a hundred questions for you but can be put in another thread. But, IYO, do you think MDs have a good understanding between the pros, cons, and limitations of EEG, Mri, and PET? Or are they dependent on people such as yourself for guidance?
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I will say that physicians try their best to use knowledge gained from neuroimaging and neuroscience to guide their clinical decisions, but it's a work in progress. Clinical neuroscience is difficult work and it doesn't have the 'pat' answers that people would like, much like people didn't like what Dr. Fauci had to say during the pandemic.
 
05C40 said:
"Snowflake"? When you grow up hearing the real stuff straight from the Grand Dragon's mouth, what is being spouted by today's weak-knee wannabes is just embarrassingly limp.
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I'm sorry you had to experience such nonsense.
 
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