California Fires - Politics of Blame

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Newsom has been listed as a possible Democratic candidate for 2028, and he's also a strong Trump critic, so all this political brouhaha is about nothing more than tearing him down and wrecking his chances for reelection in two years and perhaps his chances at the presidency in 2028. If it helps Republicans have a better chance of winning the California governorship in 2026 then so much the better. The fact that conservatives as diverse as Joe Rogan and Mel Gibson have joined in the assault on Newsom is likely no accident. We should expect to see these kinds of coordinated attacks on Democrats and any Trump critics over the next four years - not just from his administration, but working in conjunction with right-wing media from Fox to Rogan to right-wing talk radio and other outlets like the LA Times in California. Just relentlessly attack and tear down opponents until their reputation is shredded and they're finished as a political force.
 
Today I saw on Twitter (1) a clip of a Rogan episode from months ago where he explained how a California firefighter had told him there would inevitably be a catastrophic fire in LA and that there wouldn't be anything we could do about it because of high winds, geographic factors, etc; and (2) a clip from Rogan in the last day or so with Mel Gibson, in which Rogan dismissively derided the suggestion that these fires couldn't be prevented as liberal BS.

Whatever that dude used to be, he's gone, man. Just like Elon, entirely captured by "red pill" BS.
 
rodoheel said:
Today I saw on Twitter (1) a clip of a Rogan episode from months ago where he explained how a California firefighter had told him there would inevitably be a catastrophic fire in LA and that there wouldn't be anything we could do about it because of high winds, geographic factors, etc; and (2) a clip from Rogan in the last day or so with Mel Gibson, in which Rogan dismissively derided the suggestion that these fires couldn't be prevented as liberal BS.

Whatever that dude used to be, he's gone, man. Just like Elon, entirely captured by "red pill" BS.
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He’s pretty much who he has always been.

Someone wanting fame; and, greater fame.
 
The beauty is that this debate (who to blame?) is going to play out in real time over the coming weeks and months. Let's see if the local residents, particularly the ones who lost everything, are receptive to Bass, Newsome and the other local officials simply blaming this on "climate," Trump or "we-couldn't-possibly- predicted-this type of natural disaster." Lots of wealthy and important people impacted by this including celebrities - who have access to the media. I predict there's going to be major pushback from these victims and the officials are, for once, going to have to account for their actions and policies and have to answer tough questions from the public and press.

Fast forward 6 months from now, you're going to have tremendous frustration of the public in dealing with California's notoriously rigid permitting and zoning regulations which will slow down, if not halt, these residents from rebuilding their homes.
Zoo_View said:
Forty-five years ago, way too many Moreheads went to future Trumplicans from North Carolina and Virginia Episcopal or Woodberry Forest.
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What’s wrong with Episcopal and Woodberry? Great student pipelines for UNC.
 
Ramrouser said:
The beauty is that this debate (who to blame?) is going to play out in real time over the coming weeks and months. Let's see if the local residents, particularly the ones who lost everything, are receptive to Bass, Newsome and the other local officials simply blaming this on "climate," Trump or "we-couldn't-possibly- predicted-this type of natural disaster." Lots of wealthy and important people impacted by this including celebrities - who have access to the media. I predict there's going to be major pushback from these victims and the officials are, for once, going to have to account for their actions and policies and have to answer tough questions from the public and press.

Fast forward 6 months from now, you're going to have tremendous frustration of the public in dealing with California's notoriously rigid permitting and zoning regulations which will slow down, if not halt, these residents from rebuilding their homes.
What’s wrong with Episcopal and Woodberry? Great student pipelines for UNC.
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His point was its nice if you like Schools that produce trumplicans-which those schools tend to do Use to be country club Republicans-but that identity is gone
 
Callatoroy said:
You know his game. Why are you so triggered by it. I'm guessing he was talking about when he offered to help CA move some water one time and newsome told him to get lost. Again, after 4 years in office and 4 years running for office you act like you don't know what to expect.
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Because tens of millions of Americans firmly believe all the nonsense he utters. WE know his “game,” MAGA doesn’t think its a game.
And YOU don’t understand his “game” is the authoritarian playbook. You laugh it off, blame us for TDS when we understand his “game” much better than you do.
 
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Ramrouser said:
The beauty is that this debate (who to blame?) is going to play out in real time over the coming weeks and months. Let's see if the local residents, particularly the ones who lost everything, are receptive to Bass, Newsome and the other local officials simply blaming this on "climate," Trump or "we-couldn't-possibly- predicted-this type of natural disaster." Lots of wealthy and important people impacted by this including celebrities - who have access to the media. I predict there's going to be major pushback from these victims and the officials are, for once, going to have to account for their actions and policies and have to answer tough questions from the public and press.

Fast forward 6 months from now, you're going to have tremendous frustration of the public in dealing with California's notoriously rigid permitting and zoning regulations which will slow down, if not halt, these residents from rebuilding their homes.
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What do you think would have prevented these fires or prevented them from spreading? It's always entertaining to hear conservatives rail about taxes and getting the government out of our lives then something like this happens and it's all "why didn't the city spend an additional $200 million on massive upgrades to the city's water infrastructure"?
 
rodoheel said:
What do you think would have prevented these fires or prevented them from spreading? It's always entertaining to hear conservatives rail about taxes and getting the government out of our lives then something like this happens and it's all "why didn't the city spend an additional $200 million on massive upgrades to the city's water infrastructure"?
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I think we’ll learn the upgrades that would have been necessary to reasonably fight these previously unprecedented fires is in the tens of billions.
 
Healing said:
Fwiw, the “debating amongst ourselves” has unequivocally taught me more about political philosophy, law, political action strategies, etiology of the moment, and history, since the formation of this board seven-ish months ago, than I’ve learned in ten years from ttump supporters.

When your movement is fueled by pathological insecurity, narcissism, and hate (and billionaire overlords) truth is rarely on your side; thus, magas have fabricated a system of self affirming delusions and in doing so have rendered their weight in debate (hell, in cursory discourse) that of a helium balloon. In near literal terms, I don’t take what a maga says at face value. I assume they are lying or ignorant or machinating. What I learn from them, on this board, is merely the often hateful, unoriginal right-wing propaganda screed du jour.

I can learn what these maga trolls have to offer by spending 10 mins on various reddit subs, about once a week, or take 5 min to scan ttump’s verbal equivalent of shitting in his hand and rubbing it on his face, in the ttump catch-all thread (bc all maga does is parrot him). And to be clear, if we had dyed in the wool magas who debated positions from an evidentiary standpoint AND stood up to cross exam, I’d agree with your position. However, EVERY SINGLE maga eventually turns troll bc
1. It’s exceedingly rare for the evidence to favor their positions
2. Trump has taught them, and/or affirmed their nature, to never admit they’re wrong
3. as result of #2, when their [ahem], shall we say, facile positions get deconstructed they dig deeper and deeper into the fetid pit of right-wing fabrication, AND when that doesn’t work, their personalities and marching orders demand that they disengage from factual debate and turn to straw men, red herrings, and outright trolling.

Everyone has their reason for engaging maga trolls. While that engagement is my least preferred part of this board, and even captures me at times, this board is a lot of things to a lot of people. However, I contend our resident magas aren’t offering anything that scanning ttump’s belligerent tweets don’t offer, aside from confirmation of their very predictable incorporation of talking points and marching orders.
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Upvote for "machinating," another word that needs to be in heavier rotation (along with machinations)...
 
No question natural disasters occur and there's only so much you can do about it. In this case, the unusually high winds - which changed directions repeatedly spreading new fires in all directions. But, is it your contention that the local and state officials handled matters appropriately? They had several days to prepare and it's not like this is the first wildfire they've had to fight in SoCal. My point is that the local residents will decide whom to hold to account and what changes need to be made.
 
Ramrouser said:
No question natural disasters occur and there's only so much you can do about it. In this case, the unusually high winds - which changed directions repeatedly spreading new fires in all directions. But, is it your contention that the local and state officials handled matters appropriately? They had several days to prepare and it's not like this is the first wildfire they've had to fight in SoCal. My point is that the local residents will decide whom to hold to account and what changes need to be made.
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The "point" currently being made apparently is that now - while the fires are raging, people are fleeing and brave civil servants are putting their lives on the line fighting this thing - is the appropriate time to cast political blame and do a pre-mortem review all the direct and indirect causes ( including DEI for christ's sakes) instead of fully concentrating our efforts on putting the fires out. Your "point" is bullshit and you have no shame.
 
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