California Fires - Politics of Blame

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tar pal said:
Not sure who or what to be inflamed at so I will try having empathy for the ones who have died and/or lost their homes. Appears moving forward some major effort needs to be put forth to thwart future fires.
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Of course the next question is who pays for it. It’s easy to say it’s cheaper than paying for this damage after the fact.
 


Trump in 2020:

“You go to Austria,” he said, “you go to Finland, you go to many different countries, and they don’t have — I was talking to a head of a major country, and he said, ‘We’re a forest nation. We consider ourself a forest nation.’ This was in Europe. I said, ‘That’s a beautiful term.’

“He said, ‘We have trees that are far more explosive…” – he meant “explosive” in terms of fire – ‘but we have trees that are more explosive they have in California, and we don’t have any problem because we manage our forests.’”


… "You know, In Europe they have forest cities,” he told the hosts [of Fox & Friends]. “You look at, you look at countries, Austria, you look at so many countries, they live in the forest, they’re considered forest cities, so many of them.

“And they don't have fires like this, and they have more explosive trees. They have trees that will catch easier. But they maintain their fire, they have an expression, they ‘thin the fuel’, the fuel is what’s on the ground, the leaves, the trees that fall, they’re dry, they’re like a matchstick.”

… In 2018, when California faced another serious fire season, he claimed to have discussed “raking and cleaning” with the president of Finland, who later said he had no such recollection. …”

www.the-independent.com

Trump denies climate crisis cause fires and says Austrians live in ‘forest cities’

President has for years fixated on the importance of raking forest floors while ignoring the effects of climate change
www.the-independent.com www.the-independent.com
 
lawtig02 said:
As long as the same general standard is applied to both California and Florida, I think these discussions can be very worthwhile. Both states are relatively wealthy. Both are coastal. Both are prone to natural disasters. Both are having major issues with developable land for the population that wants to live there, and both are really struggling with soaring property insurance premiums. Both are very much impacted by climate change. The only difference, as it relates to this issue, is that one is governed by conservatives and one is governed by liberals.

These are important discussions to have. The cost of responding to these disasters is enormous, and it's only going to increase. So let's have the discussions in as honest, transparent, and critical a way as we can. But if someone critiques California without critiquing Florida, or vice versa, they can just fuck right off from my perspective. These are issues that should not be political, and I'm happy to ignore anyone who wants to make them such.
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Apples vs oranges. The two aren’t even close to being related. Each should be evaluated independently. Looking for whataboutism is already knowing it isn’t going to go well. And much of it is purely politics. From how the states handle insurance to how funding is allocated. Those are political decisions. Firefighters making 200k a year, people being fired for not taking Covid shots, what is prioritized, infrastructure maintenance. All political decisions that aren’t related to what another state does for a completely different kind of disaster.
 
I don't post or comment or whatever here much these days. But this Callatoroy guy....good grief.

How do you all handle it?

More extremist/ignorance?
More extremist/dishonesty?
Maybe just some trolly combo deal?

If I'm being unkind or too personal, please feel free to delete my comment here. Whatever. But Callatory strikes me as pretty serious distillation of MAGA deliberate, arrogant ignorant talk.

It's nothing new. I've been following this stuff since the breakthrough era -- early-to-mid 1990s -- of right-wing propaganda talk radio. Had a go-round or two long ago with prominent old-ZZL conservatives on the topic. Again, Callatory just seems like a strong representative of the bottom of the whole thing in its hideous MAGA form.
 
nycfan said:
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Let no opportunity to spread right-wing bigotry and propaganda be wasted. If only straight white guys had been in charge then none of this would ever have happened. We've got to stop all of this incompetent minority and female DEI hiring and get white guys back in charge of everything - they'll know exactly what to do, just like Dear Leader!
 
ole howard1 said:
I don't post or comment or whatever here much these days. But this Callatoroy guy....good grief.

How do you all handle it?

More extremist/ignorance?
More extremist/dishonesty?
Maybe just some trolly combo deal?

If I'm being unkind or too personal, please feel free to delete my comment here. Whatever. But Callatory strikes me as pretty serious distillation of MAGA deliberate, arrogant ignorant talk.

It's nothing new. I've been following this stuff since the breakthrough era -- early-to-mid 1990s -- of right-wing propaganda talk radio. Had a go-round or two long ago with prominent old-ZZL conservatives on the topic. Again, Callatory just seems like a strong representative of the bottom of the whole thing in its hideous MAGA form.
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I’ve had him on Super Ignore for a couple of weeks now because I found myself responding more and more negatively to him and didn’t want to to turn the board into IC Part 2. But unless everyone does the same, he’ll still infect the board with his MAGA poison as long as he has an audience to get pissed off about it. His only goal here is to troll the libs. He’s not here for any actual dialogue.
 
And sadly, there are many people that will just believe Trump... That there's a watershed that extends from Canada into California...
 
Callatoroy said:
Apples vs oranges. The two aren’t even close to being related. Each should be evaluated independently. Looking for whataboutism is already knowing it isn’t going to go well. And much of it is purely politics. From how the states handle insurance to how funding is allocated. Those are political decisions. Firefighters making 200k a year, people being fired for not taking Covid shots, what is prioritized, infrastructure maintenance. All political decisions that aren’t related to what another state does for a completely different kind of disaster.
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Yet I don’t see you complaining about Trump’s comparison of California to Austria or Finland. Hmmm. 🤔
 
WaynetheDrain said:
I’ve had him on Super Ignore for a couple of weeks now because I found myself responding more and more negatively to him and didn’t want to to turn the board into IC Part 2. But unless everyone does the same, he’ll still infect the board with his MAGA poison as long as he has an audience to get pissed off about it. His only goal here is to troll the libs. He’s not here for any actual dialogue.
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I've been responsible for a lot of the board pollution with him and I'll stop. I actually enjoyed conversing with him on the other board prior to the attempted assassination. He showed a level of intelligence and appreciation for nuance that is not common with the conservatives who post here, and he repeatedly stated he hated Trump and would not support him. That shooting seems to have changed everything. I think trying to defend this nocturnal emission of a political movement must kill brain cells or something. I won't ignore him, but I won't be responding to his toddler-level arguments any further.
 
nycfan said:


Trump in 2020:

“You go to Austria,” he said, “you go to Finland, you go to many different countries, and they don’t have — I was talking to a head of a major country, and he said, ‘We’re a forest nation. We consider ourself a forest nation.’ This was in Europe. I said, ‘That’s a beautiful term.’

“He said, ‘We have trees that are far more explosive…” – he meant “explosive” in terms of fire – ‘but we have trees that are more explosive they have in California, and we don’t have any problem because we manage our forests.’”


… "You know, In Europe they have forest cities,” he told the hosts [of Fox & Friends]. “You look at, you look at countries, Austria, you look at so many countries, they live in the forest, they’re considered forest cities, so many of them.

“And they don't have fires like this, and they have more explosive trees. They have trees that will catch easier. But they maintain their fire, they have an expression, they ‘thin the fuel’, the fuel is what’s on the ground, the leaves, the trees that fall, they’re dry, they’re like a matchstick.”

… In 2018, when California faced another serious fire season, he claimed to have discussed “raking and cleaning” with the president of Finland, who later said he had no such recollection. …”

www.the-independent.com

Trump denies climate crisis cause fires and says Austrians live in ‘forest cities’

President has for years fixated on the importance of raking forest floors while ignoring the effects of climate change
www.the-independent.com www.the-independent.com
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Yes, and as everyone knows, the climate in Austria and California are exactly the same
 
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