Can you imagine if Biden did/said that?

  • Thread starter Thread starter TarSpiel
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies: 71
  • Views: 1K
  • Politics 
UNCatTech said:
This just shows how locked in your worshiping trump you are.

No, he is an abysmal leader. Great leaders bring people and resources together to accomplish great things. He only bullies and talks shit about anyone that doesn't agree with him. He doesn't consult experts or look for facts he takes the bull in a china shop approach.

Calla, at times you almost seem reasonable, but this response shows you are no better than ramrouser. Thus will be the last time I read or respond to you.
Click to expand...
Go back and read my post again. Great leaders are people who can get vast numbers of people to follow them and their actions. I acknowledged that the word “great” was used in a different connotation as what many consider “great” as it would apply to Washington or Lincoln. Your response shows you gave no thought to my post and just had an emotional reaction to you thinking I was comparing trump to those like Washington or Lincoln which I clearly was not.
 
HAHAHAHAHAH.

so now relatively tame little protests on college campuses = an event that featured numerous serious assaults on law enforcement officers, several deaths and an angry, violent mob trespassing all over and defacing the united states capitol.

jfc, you are floundering so hard.
 
Last edited:
Callatoroy said:
I think he will follow the protest protocol laid out by the schools. Are you in favor of the type of protests held at Barnard? Someone has to stop it and if the woke school leaders won’t then he apparently plans to. Sounds like you are in favor of any level of protesting as long as it suits your political ideology. Gotta be careful though or you run the risk of hypocrisy if you don’t apply the same logic to Jan 6.
Click to expand...
Am I in favor of "any level of protesting"? No. Physical violence should be prosecuted or dealt with through civil law and/or university sanctions as appropriate. Property damage should be prosecuted or dealt with through civil law and/or university sanctions as appropriate. There are existing legal mechanisms to deal with these things. What do you perceive Trump's announcement to be adding to those existing structures? Adding some extrajudicial punishment on top of existing remedies?

And WTF do you mean by saying Trump "will follow the protest protocol laid out by the schools"? His very statement makes clear that he will punish the schools (through the likely unconstitutional remedy of blanket pulling their funding) if they allow protest Trump deems to be "illegal." He clearly isn't letting the schools themselves decide anything; he will decide what protest is illegal, and if the schools disagree with what sort of protesting is allowed, they will be punished along with the protestors.

Being OK with what Trump is proposing means not only being OK with the President making the sole determination of what is "illegal" (anathema to our constitutional order) but trusting Trump to use that authority to make logical, consistent, constitutional decisions about what is "illegal." How anyone could feel good about Trump making those decisions given the expansive and self-serving view of presidential power he's both expressed and demonstrated over the past month and a half is beyond me.

if you were a foreign-born student in the US on a college Visa, would you feel comfortable speaking out on your campus in opposition to Trump's foreign or domestic policy with this order in place? No reasonable person would answer that question in the affirmative. For a party that has claimed to bear the mantle of "free speech" and opposed college speech codes, this is just a huge swing back in the opposite direction. This is far more of a danger to free speech then college regulations preventing you, say, from intentionally misgendering someone.
 
Callatoroy said:
Go back and read my post again. Great leaders are people who can get vast numbers of people to follow them and their actions. I acknowledged that the word “great” was used in a different connotation as what many consider “great” as it would apply to Washington or Lincoln. Your response shows you gave no thought to my post and just had an emotional reaction to you thinking I was comparing trump to those like Washington or Lincoln which I clearly was not.
Click to expand...
Well maybe the problem is that you're trying to use "great leader" in a different way than everyone else uses it then complaining that everyone else is wrong and you are right. By your logic Jim Jones was a great leader. Bernie Madoff was a great leader. If what you mean is that Trump is great at manipulating people, then I guess I agree with that.
 
all of the people that have been mentioned have been notable leaders.

the word "great" is often associated with goodness and positive outcomes which obviously doesn't fit trump, hitler, pol pot, stalin, etc.
 
Callatoroy said:
Actually trump is a great leader. Not in the way most perceive “great leaders” but a great leader nonetheless. All presidents are great leaders or they wouldn’t be in that role
Click to expand...
Wrong, the litmus test for a great leader isn't being able to get votes.
 
Callatoroy said:
Go back and read my post again. Great leaders are people who can get vast numbers of people to follow them and their actions. I acknowledged that the word “great” was used in a different connotation as what many consider “great” as it would apply to Washington or Lincoln. Your response shows you gave no thought to my post and just had an emotional reaction to you thinking I was comparing trump to those like Washington or Lincoln which I clearly was not.
Click to expand...
So, you see Jim Jones as a great leader?

How about Charles Manson, David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite, and Sun Myung Moon?

My opinion is that your standard for a great leader is incorrect.
 
Callatoroy said:
Go back and read my post again. Great leaders are people who can get vast numbers of people to follow them and their actions. I acknowledged that the word “great” was used in a different connotation as what many consider “great” as it would apply to Washington or Lincoln. Your response shows you gave no thought to my post and just had an emotional reaction to you thinking I was comparing trump to those like Washington or Lincoln which I clearly was not.
Click to expand...
It wasn't an emotional reaction. He isn't a great leader by any reasonable standard. You set a really low standard, I know, I read your post.
 
And another countless example of how easy it is to sucker the MAGA faithful into believing anything.

Trump a great leader. I'm actually embarrassed for Calla.
Dying Laughing Lol GIF by Desus & Mero
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top