Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

I made a promise to myself not to follow the news after Trumps 2nd election. I doom scrolled the first, and was engaged with the news on a daily basis. This time, I have a young son to raise, and I'll be damned if I waste my time that could be spent with him getting sucked into these stories.

I checked in on this thread, because it's a big story. And I wanted to lament the toxicity of our political rhetoric that leads to this kind of stuff.

From someone who is basically checked out of the news, coming onto this thread and reading it is just nutso. It's fucking CRAZY how much rage and outrage are driving people on this thread, on both sides of the issue. I'm not used to it...I'm like someone who hasn't had a drink in a decade taking a couple shots of whiskey and getting soused by it. I'm going to close down now & go spend some time with my kid. Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
 
sringwal said:
Charlie Kirk has very little of my respect, but I do not wish this on him. I hope that the shooter is caught as soon as possible, and faces serious consequences. All murder is wrong, but political assassination is right up there with hate crimes for me as the worst of the worst.
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I think of hate crimes as being crimes against a person for their personal qualities. What were Kirk's personal qualities that brought about this attack? There zillions of other vocal, public conservatives that weren't targeted with a bullet today, so what makes Kirk different?
 
wmheel1287 said:
There was no misinterpreting of what you said or what you intended in that moment. You just now would like to walk it back because you realize the overzealous nature of what you said.

I was never "calling you out" to begin with. I asked you twice to stop adding to the bitter environment that already saturates our daily lives. You responded by lashing out at me in the same manner you were lashing out at others. That I did call out.
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I was not lashing out at you. I was calling out your singling me out to dial it back when this board sews hatred every day, and from which I infrequently participate.
 
TarSpiel said:
I made a promise to myself not to follow the news after Trumps 2nd election. I doom scrolled the first, and was engaged with the news on a daily basis. This time, I have a young son to raise, and I'll be damned if I waste my time that could be spent with him getting sucked into these stories.

I checked in on this thread, because it's a big story. And I wanted to lament the toxicity of our political rhetoric that leads to this kind of stuff.

From someone who is basically checked out of the news, coming onto this thread and reading it is just nutso. It's fucking CRAZY how much rage and outrage are driving people on this thread, on both sides of the issue. I'm not used to it...I'm like someone who hasn't had a drink in a decade taking a couple shots of whiskey and getting soused by it. I'm going to close down now & go spend some time with my kid. Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
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bosides!
 
TarSpiel said:
I made a promise to myself not to follow the news after Trumps 2nd election. I doom scrolled the first, and was engaged with the news on a daily basis. This time, I have a young son to raise, and I'll be damned if I waste my time that could be spent with him getting sucked into these stories.

I checked in on this thread, because it's a big story. And I wanted to lament the toxicity of our political rhetoric that leads to this kind of stuff.

From someone who is basically checked out of the news, coming onto this thread and reading it is just nutso. It's fucking CRAZY how much rage and outrage are driving people on this thread, on both sides of the issue. I'm not used to it...I'm like someone who hasn't had a drink in a decade taking a couple shots of whiskey and getting soused by it. I'm going to close down now & go spend some time with my kid. Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
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Completely with you. I am also disengaged politically. Doing good where I can. This thread is depressing as it can get. Incredible anger.
 
PandemicBlue said:
The country knew about the "felonies" and Trump still won the popular vote which means you are in the minority. What does it say about how piss-poor of a job the country must have felt the Democrats did to elect a 34 time convicted felon?
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Trump won 32% of the eligible voters, as did Harris. 36% of eligible voters did not vote. Don’t ever think your views are those of the majority-they are not. We the majority are being ruled by a fascist minority.
 
nycfan said:
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We are lucky to have this man leading us through this fraught time. He is a uniter. The compassion he feels for ALL Americans is obvious in this “address”. It’s like a warm hug coming through the screen. A warm hug that has left an orange goo behind that is causing my skin to burn and peel away.

This sentient perineum has dominated American culture for a decade and I can count on 2 fingers the times I thought there was humanity in him.

We haven’t seen anything yet concerning the damage he’s going to wreak in the next 3 years.
 


I've seen scores upon scores of elected Democratic politicians unequivocally condemning the killing. I've seen scores upon scores of right wing griters and shitposters insinuating that all liberals are somehow responsible for Charlie Kirk's murder. Makes sense why we have a couple shitposters on this board doing the same.
 
With all the accusations that this was a leftist, which it still could be, it helps to remember that the far right is not exactly a unity love fest. Groups on the extreme splinter and have rivalries all the time. All purity movements fall victim to them, i know Nick Fuentes was no fan of Charlie Kirk and would send the Groypers out to harass the Turning Point folks. When you get to the end of the spectrums, you find a lot of unbalanced people.
 
Icky Mettle said:
You don’t have an understanding of the facts or the law here. He was charged with the misdemeanor of misusing 911 back in January. The charge stemmed from him having an episode where he thought someone was putting “materials” in his body to control him. When the police responded and tried to talk him down, he called the 911 on them, thinking they were in on it. They then arrested him.

Nobody is going to be sitting in jail for that. By NC law, the magistrate (it was not a judge) was required to set conditions of release for that charge, which she did. In addition, the US and NC Constitutions prohibit excessive bond. To be frank, the State probably was not going to be able to get a conviction in that charge because they would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he knowingly misused 911. Based on the psychotic episode he was having, he most likely did not knowingly misuse 911. He most likely believed he was using it for its intended purpose.

But let’s say hypothetically that he was not released from jail after that arrest. Based on his prior record level, the maximum sentence he could have faced for being convicted of misusing 911 was 45 days. So after sitting in jail for 45 days awaiting his next court date, one of two things would have happened: (1) his lawyer would have moved for his bond to be unsecured, resulting in his release, since he had already served his maximum punishment, or (2) he could have pled guilty and, under NC law, the judge could sentence him to no more than the time he served, thus resulting in his release. So even if he was held in jail, he would have been released a long time ago anyway.

As the claim of 14 arrests, there were not actually 14 separate arrests. There had been 14 charges. A number of those charges occurred during the same arrest as they arose out of the same incident. (Referring to those charges as 14 arrests would be like referring to Donald Trump’s 34 charges in NY as 34 arrests. Trump was not arrested 34 times, however). Many of them were for minor offenses, including disorderly conduct.

As for his felonies, he had been convicted in all of those matters. That resulted in a. Trial do three felony convictions Two of them were from 2014 and arose out of the same incident. They were low level (Class H) felonies. The last one was the more serious one. That was for robbery with a dangerous weapon from 2015. When he was sentenced, the judge imposed the maximum sentence he could legally receive for that offense, which was 73-100 months (6 years, 1 month to 8 years, 4 months). Under NC structured sentencing, every sentence has a minimum and a corresponding maximum. That was the highest minimum and corresponding maximum he could receive by law. Pursuant to NC law, he was given credit for the 176 days he had already served while in custody awaiting arraignment (he remained in custody while that case was pending). Once a defendant goes to prison, they have an opportunity to work their sentence down to the minimum— and no less than the minimum (in this case 73 months)— if they participate in rehabilitative programming, work jobs, while incarcerated, and avoid serious infractions. He worked his case down to the minimum of 73 months and was released on September 20, 2020. He was then placed on post-release supervision for 12 months as required by law. That ended on September 20, 2021.

As for him being schizophrenic, that is not a crime. Also, one cannot be involuntarily committed simply for being schizophrenic.

So despite the narrative that some want to push that someone in the criminal justice system did something wrong or was soft on crime, that was not all the case. Now, you could certainly point to a lack of availability and/or affordability of metal health treatment as a problem.
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Dude, just because you are a criminal attorney in NC and actually know the DA who prosecuted his robbery charge doesn’t mean you understand this stuff better than Callatoroy, who has assured me he didn’t misrepresent anything.

I wonder if you’ll get a response to this? And if so will it include the phrase “common sense?”
 


Absolutely hate, hate, hate that he was killed. Absolutely hate murder of any kind for any reason. Absolutely hate that Kirk is dead and this wife and children are left to pick up the pieces of their shattered lives.

Also absolutely hate, hate, hate that he held such grotesque beliefs as this one, and that he used his platform to spread them.
 
TarSpiel said:
I made a promise to myself not to follow the news after Trumps 2nd election. I doom scrolled the first, and was engaged with the news on a daily basis. This time, I have a young son to raise, and I'll be damned if I waste my time that could be spent with him getting sucked into these stories.

I checked in on this thread, because it's a big story. And I wanted to lament the toxicity of our political rhetoric that leads to this kind of stuff.

From someone who is basically checked out of the news, coming onto this thread and reading it is just nutso. It's fucking CRAZY how much rage and outrage are driving people on this thread, on both sides of the issue. I'm not used to it...I'm like someone who hasn't had a drink in a decade taking a couple shots of whiskey and getting soused by it. I'm going to close down now & go spend some time with my kid. Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
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Kind of a weird bosides, bro.
 
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