Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

ZenMode said:
Never miss an opportunity to blame Trump for something...

JB Pritzker condemns political violence after Charlie Kirk's death, says Trump's rhetoric 'often foments it'​


Illinois Gov JB Pritzker argued Trump 'often foments' political violence through his rhetoric and Jan 6 pardons

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JB Pritzker condemns political violence after Charlie Kirk's death, says Trump's rhetoric 'often foments it'

Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker condemned the assassination of Charlie Kirk while criticizing President Donald Trump's rhetoric for "fomenting" political violence.
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FFS

Have you noticed any change in the way Americans talk to and about their fellow Americans since, oh, say 2015? Who has the biggest megaphone and nonexistent filter when talking about people with whom he disagrees?

You can't be this ignorant. Are you a garden variety troll, or do you try out your material on us before posting on xitter?
 
1moretimeagain said:
Some law enforcement leaks are making the rounds

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This is where my mind went when it was announced identifying information would not be released…yet. They need to stay in control of the narrative. The shooter’s social media might contradict the narrative they’re pushing. Let’s be honest, if there’s social media posts from the shooter praising anything “leftist” Patel would get that out there immediately.

I realize this is conspiracy nonsense currently. Yet we absolutely can’t trust Patel’s FBI. Hey lawyers, could law enforcement be seeking warrants for access to the shooter’s social media?
 
ZenMode said:
I would be absolutely shocked if it wasn't someone with a left wing ideology and I think most Democrats, if they're being honest, would also be shocked.

The problem is that too many people take seriously the assertion that we are on a slippery slope toward something like Nazi Germany and feel like they need to take action.
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I have pushed back, in multiple threads, on the "slippery slope towards Nazi Germany" thing and continue to believe that there are a number of factors that make it unlikely that it happens. But, I mean, we have also had posted on this thread a conservative commentator on Twitter advocating that the Trump admin use this incident the way that Hitler used the Reichstag Fire. Following on the heels of all the Trump admin's other authoritarian posturing and actions. So I think you can understand why some people are concerned about that.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Maybe one had a swastika that was crossed out with a 🚫, and the other had a picture of dude wearing a🥇 in a girls’ locker room.
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Yes on the crossed out swastika, but doubtful on the other, but ONLY cuz locker rooms often look the same for both genders. I'm thinking probably a penis, which is pretty easy to draw,
then a "-->" , indicating transition????
then fake boobs, maybe like:
(* )( *)
 
Backtracking and "clarifying" after calling for war doesn't help. The damage has already been done. Plus it's been shown that backtracks don't get nearly the publicity that the original provocations do.

It's not just right-wing either. A left-wing person might very well see the celebration of the Department of War and decide, "time to protect myself, since they are apparently invading my home."
 
BillOfRights said:
If he's saying he wants Conway and Wallace assassinated like kirk, then yes, he should be gone. If he's saying that he wants Conway and Wallace fired like Dowd, let him stay. I disagree with him 99.5% of the time, but I think he provides an important voice here.
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I was directly responding to a post regarding the firing of Never Trumper Dowd. I was clearly stating that Conway and Wallace should be fired as well. I suspect you know that since I've never come close to advocating violence in any of my posts.
 
CHAMTRAIN said:
Last night I asked my 12 year old son if he was familiar with Kirk, he knew who he was. This is a pre-teen who's life revolves around sports and video games, he (and his friends) had already been exposed to Kirk's poisonous rhetoric.

I won't condone violence but I also won't pretend I'm not happy that my son and his friends won't be exposed to this mans warped ideology.
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Hate to break it to you…….Kirk’s shoes are likely already filled.
 
Ramrouser said:
I was directly responding to a post regarding the firing of Never Trumper Dowd. I was clearly stating that Conway and Wallace should be fired as well. I suspect you know that since I've never come close to advocating violence in any of my posts.
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Maybe not, but you have been free to accuse others on this board of advocating violence (then disappearing when asked to provide proof). Would you like to retract those posts?
 
rodoheel said:
I have pushed back, in multiple threads, on the "slippery slope towards Nazi Germany" thing and continue to believe that there are a number of factors that make it unlikely that it happens. But, I mean, we have also had posted on this thread a conservative commentator on Twitter advocating that the Trump admin use this incident the way that Hitler used the Reichstag Fire. Following on the heels of all the Trump admin's other authoritarian posturing and actions. So I think you can understand why some people are concerned about that.
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What do you think the risk-reward calculus looks like here?

What odds do you mean when you say, "unlikely?" 0.001%? 5%?

American democracy is so valuable that even a tiny risk cannot be justified. You're better off with your argument that all alternatives to quietism are worse. And I don't mean quietism in the sense of engaging in no political activity; I mean, living in an environment when activism means nothing because truth means nothing.
 
BillOfRights said:
FFS

Have you noticed any change in the way Americans talk to and about their fellow Americans since, oh, say 2015? Who has the biggest megaphone and nonexistent filter when talking about people with whom he disagrees?

You can't be this ignorant. Are you a garden variety troll, or do you try out your material on us before posting on xitter?
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zen lives in delulu land.
 
rodoheel said:
Maybe not, but you have been free to accuse others on this board of advocating violence (then disappearing when asked to provide proof). Would you like to retract those posts?
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It's self evident. Super, for example, routinely states that conservatives need to pay a price when Dems return to power. I ask him what price: seizure of property, re education camps or death? I've never received an answer.
 
HandsonFire said:
I have no idea who the shooter is but are you really surprised if this turns out to be someone with left wing ideology? What are the other options? Someone who Kirk wronged on an individual basis? Right wing conspiracy led by Trump?
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He was apparently hated by far-right extremist groups. Says this twitter account (longer thread on it)

 
Ramrouser said:
Wow.
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A trans person could reasonably claim self-defense. That wouldn't be a legal defense as it clearly doesn't meet legal standards, but it would be a moral defense.

When you take away peoples' health care -- care they rely on and need to continue to live -- that's an act of violence. That it is (dubiously) cloaked in law doesn't make it any more acceptable. And if you act violently toward a million people, there's a decent chance that a few of them might return the favor in kind.

Charlie Kirk is not a victim. Charlie Kirk was killed by his own hand. He received the fate that he has not only wished upon others but has helped create.
 
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