Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

[Centerpiece]

I started a separate thread with this question and no one was interested, so I thought I'd drop it here (I didn't take the hint)

Given the recent statement from Mark Kelly regarding both sides tamping down heated rhetoric, I was curious who on the left (with a significant audience) would be similar to Stephen Miller, Charlie Kirk, President Trump, Jessie Waters, etc.

Is calling some actions and members of the current administration fascists the same as as talking about Dems as enemies of the state?

What are examples of boths sides inflammatory rhetoric (again from someone with an actual audience, not some rando on TikTok).

I have to admit, I don’t watch a lot of cable news tv, nor do I follow TikTok, twitter, BlueSky, IG, or watch a lot of podcasts, or listen to them, nor do I watch a lot of political YouTube clips… so I truly have no idea if there is a Left leaning public person (with a significant following) that spews the inflammatory rhetoric of a Trump or the antipode to Stephen Miller. BTW, those are the only two mentioned that I know what they’ve said and believe.

I also have to admit, I really didn’t know who Charlie Kirk was or did. I had “heard the name” before, but that’s about it. And I just assumed he was just another right-wing whacko. But other than that, I was totally clueless about this guy. Obviously I’m reading more and more about him last night and today.

But now that I do know about him… I’ll repeat your question: Who on the left would be his equivalent? If there is one… and if there is, I’m guessing his security detail just doubled this AM.

 

[HandsonFire]

I have pushed back, in multiple threads, on the "slippery slope towards Nazi Germany" thing and continue to believe that there are a number of factors that make it unlikely that it happens. But, I mean, we have also had posted on this thread a conservative commentator on Twitter advocating that the Trump admin use this incident the way that Hitler used the Reichstag Fire. Following on the heels of all the Trump admin's other authoritarian posturing and actions. So I think you can understand why some people are concerned about that.

Say the end result isn’t the US looking like Nazi Germany. we just end up with MAGA deciding they know what’s best for all of us and from now on we are a MAGA country. No more elections or due process. It’s a national emergency after all. That’s what these nuts like Ram want . Total rule by MAGA and their GOD/King Trump.
That’s still a pretty slippery slope that ends in disaster . But these right wing assholes will never admit this is where we are headed because it would impede the process.

 

[superrific]

It's self evident. Super, for example, routinely states that conservatives need to pay a price when Dems return to power. I ask him what price: seizure of property, re education camps or death? I've never received an answer.

Yes you did, you piece of shit. Loss of voting power and law licenses. I don't believe in re-education camps or summary executions of ordinary citizens. I do think that Trump should be dropped in the ocean along with his vile family.

I've said it before: when you make it so the law prevents accountability, you shouldn't be surprised when people take the law into their own hands. It is unsustainable for the president to have criminal immunity. If the courts refuse to discipline the would-be dictator, other means are required.

 

[BillOfRights]

I was directly responding to a post regarding the firing of Never Trumper Dowd. I was clearly stating that Conway and Wallace should be fired as well. I suspect you know that since I've never come close to advocating violence in any of my posts.

"Never Trumpers are the WORST human beings. Hope Conway’s next or Nicole Wallace."

Clearly? You're an attorney?

I don't follow you and I'm not familiar with the entirety of your posting history. I looked at the words you wrote and I sincerely didn't know what you meant.

 

[Molotov Mocktail]

what are you a 12 yr old overly sensitive girl on her first period?

Dude, LMAO. Your grandma was sold to a 30 year old “man” (your grandpa) when she was 12. At least you’re beginning to understand how immature 12 truly is

 

[UNCBAdookJD]

Wow.

Kirk has said a ton of vile things about trans people that has likely contributed to a tremendous amount of violence against trans people. There’s nothing particularly shocking if the shooter was trans or a trans ally considering the things Kirk has said.

 

[4thgenheel]

I have to admit, I don’t watch a lot of cable news tv, nor do I follow TikTok, twitter, BlueSky, IG, or watch a lot of podcasts, or listen to them, nor do I watch a lot of political YouTube clips… so I truly have no idea if there is a Left leaning public person (with a significant following) that spews the inflammatory rhetoric of a Trump or the antipode to Stephen Miller. BTW, those are the only two mentioned that I know what they’ve said and believe.

I also have to admit, I really didn’t know who Charlie Kirk was or did. I had “heard the name” before, but that’s about it. And I just assumed he was just another right-wing whacko. But other than that, I was totally clueless about this guy. Obviously I’m reading more and more about him last night and today.

But now that I do know about him… I’ll repeat your question: Who on the left would be his equivalent? If there is one… and if there is, I’m guessing his security detail just doubled this AM.

there really isn't anyone like him on the left.

the young turks, maybe? they've been at it for almost 25 years, though.....and cenk uygur is not young. anna kasparian is in her late 30's.

they're fairly popular so comparable in that way but they don't constantly espouse hate and wildly divisive rhetoric.

 

[gregh1]

He was apparently hated by far-right extremist groups. Says this twitter account (longer thread on it)

TPUSA/Kirk had to denounce white supremacy because so many things he said and platformed hinted at white supremacy, other racism and things beloved by white supremacists ("great replacement theory", christian nationalism, misogency, islamaphobia etc). But to not be cancelled entirely (and rejected from universities) he had to say "i'm not racist" and "white supremacists are wrong". Him overtly stating this riled up neo-nazies.

 

[rodoheel]

It's self evident. Super, for example, routinely states that conservatives need to pay a price when Dems return to power. I ask him what price: seizure of property, re education camps or death? I've never received an answer.

I'll let super speak for himself, which he has already done. Name a single other poster or single other example of the posts (with a link to the posts) that led you to say things like:

"Guess we're moving towards that civil war y'all have been calling for." [note - this clearly references multiple people supposedly calling for Civil War]

"More respect for the honest posters who admit they're glad he was shot and hoping for more conservative deaths as part of America's second civil war that's been frequently discussed here." [note - this is clearly claiming that multiple posters here are glad Kirk was shot and are "hoping for more conservative deaths as part of America's second civil war"]

Admit these posts are utter despicable bullshit and that you have no evidence of people saying these things or shut your damn mouth about other people supposedly advocating for violence. I still can't believe a lawyer is so willing to throw around utter falsehoods and has not a care in the world for providing evidence to support them.

 

[4thgenheel]

It's self evident. Super, for example, routinely states that conservatives need to pay a price when Dems return to power. I ask him what price: seizure of property, re education camps or death? I've never received an answer.

so, debatably, one poster. self-evident, my ass.

not "the left" and "this board," like you said yesterday.

 

[ZenMode]

I have pushed back, in multiple threads, on the "slippery slope towards Nazi Germany" thing and continue to believe that there are a number of factors that make it unlikely that it happens. But, I mean, we have also had posted on this thread a conservative commentator on Twitter advocating that the Trump admin use this incident the way that Hitler used the Reichstag Fire. Following on the heels of all the Trump admin's other authoritarian posturing and actions. So I think you can understand why some people are concerned about that.

What does the opinion of a conservative commentator on Twitter really mean? He/she doesn't represent the party or the direction of the party any more than Nick Fuentes or Mike Lindell.

Not sure what you mean by "authoritarian posturing". Within the last few days, Trump declined to sent the national guard into Chicago because the governor didn't want them there. One would think that a true Hitler-type would care nothing about the Constitution in that situation.

 

[ZenMode]

Charlie Rock is 100% correct about this. He is absolutely right.

Should he have been fired? Absolutely.

Charlie Rock is an idiot and so is anyone that agrees.

You think that supporting gun rights and acknowledging that those rights are going to be misused, means that Kirk wants the rights misused or hopes they are misused and deserves to die as a result?

Pretty fucking stupid take.

Do you want to absolish all guns?

Do you support free speech rights despite knowing they will be misused? Does that mean you support verbal threats and want black people called the n-word?

JFC

 

[nycfan]

 

[gregh1]

Even conservatives found his statements anti-semitic. (this guy is cofounder of the federalist, an editor at Heartland institute, Fox commentator, etc):


And he'd say stuff like this below. So of course neo-nazis get pissed when he rejects white supremacy.

 

[superrific]

Not sure what you mean by "authoritarian posturing". Within the last few days, Trump declined to sent the national guard into Chicago

That is precisely the definition of authoritarian posturing. And the reason he declined wasn't that he had respect for anything.

 

[4thgenheel]

What does the opinion of a conservative commentator on Twitter really mean? He/she doesn't represent the party or the direction of the party any more than Nick Fuentes or Mike Lindell.

Not sure what you mean by "authoritarian posturing". Within the last few days, Trump declined to sent the national guard into Chicago because the governor didn't want them there. One would think that a true Hitler-type would care nothing about the Constitution in that situation.

my god, man. why are you so bad at this?!

you just tried to ID super's post on this very small, niche online message board as evidence of widespread escalated rhetoric on the left but now the awful views espoused by right wing influencers with millions of social media followers don't matter?!

the cognitive dissonance is staggering.

 

[BillOfRights]

It's a good thing there's no dangerous rhetoric on the Left, right @4thgenheel

Did super call for violence? War? What rhetoric was dangerous?

 

[Molotov Mocktail]

American flag on his shirt? Only maga would wear this. Obviously we now know it was a false flag operation.

- Ram logic

ETA: If Patel didn’t want to release these photos because of how it might shift the narrative on social media costing law enforcement valuable hours he needs to be fired immediately. We’re only going to see more and more fuckups from this agency under his “leadership”

 

[WaynetheDrain]

Wow.

Control your outrage boner.

 

[rodoheel]

What does the opinion of a conservative commentator on Twitter really mean? He/she doesn't represent the party or the direction of the party any more than Nick Fuentes or Mike Lindell.

Not sure what you mean by "authoritarian posturing". Within the last few days, Trump declined to sent the national guard into Chicago because the governor didn't want them there. One would think that a true Hitler-type would care nothing about the Constitution in that situation.

As to the first point: that was just the most extreme example. You can find many other examples of highly powerful and influential MAGA media and political figures, many of whom are directly connected to the Trump admin (Laura Loomer. Sean Davis, Jesse Watters, etc) calling for the repression or presecution of the political left in response to this. Trump's own public statement about Charlie Kirk vowed retribution against the left for the killing. These statements are all right out in the open.

As to the second point - this is where I have to imagine that your professed ignorance is trolling rather than naivete. The entire trajectory of the second Trump admin has been to claim authoritarian power to the executive that no president has ever claimed before. He has, among other things, claimed the right to unilaterally end birthright citizenship, blown up a ship in international waters with no authority other than his own, declared that he may almost any government employees (including those over which he statutorily does not have authority) without justification, clamed the right to deploy the national guard in states to perform policing work, claimed the right to compel states to change their policies for running elections (contrary to what the constitution says), extorted concessions from private universities by unilaterally withholding research money that was already promised, and extorted and threatened to prosecute private law firms and lawyers for nothing more than being or representing his political opponents. I know you know about all of that, and about all of the many other examples I have named. These are all pretty obviously authoritarian things - done at the sole authority and behest of Trump, that he claims to have without restraint from any other branch of the government.

Honestly, do you even know what "authoritarianism" means?