Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

Tar1978Heel said:
Nothing went over my head dipshit…I asked a ? about how does a high powered rifle bullet deflect off of a vest…

I asked nothing about gun control…
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Unc12003 said:
Shouldn’t the fact that he feels the need to wear vests in public tell him that his standpoint on guns is wrong?
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And yet democrat politicians that demand gun control walk around with a armed detail all the time…
 
superrific said:
I wouldn't put too much stock in the American flag imagery. As we know, the American flag is a symbol with many, many meanings and uses.
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Sure, if it’s a Trans person he might have simply saw it as his patriotic duty to exercise his second amendment right to stop a would-be tyrant as well. All sorts of possibilities, but the flag shirt is a very interesting piece of the puzzle that does actually complicate the theory. The most important thing is that the killer is caught and prosecuted, but this situation keeps getting weirder and weirder.
 
gregh1 said:
The ATF said " older model imported Mauser .30-06 caliber bolt action rifle wrapped in a towel"
Apparently older model Mauser don't fire .03-06 though...
regardless, this doesn't sound like a rifle with detachable stock or barrel, etc. - plus "wrapped in towel" sounds more like a complete rifle vs something in parts that could've been kept in the backpack or scattered randomly.
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That’s interesting then because then the picture is called into question. When was the pic taken and why do they think it’s him? That gun couldn’t be disassembled to fit in a backpack. Possible he pre-staged the gun, so it wouldn’t be on him leading up to the event to avoid him possibly being caught, but then how do they know it’s this guy?
 
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superrific said:
I didn't say you were watching too many movies. I genuinely didn't know the answer. Obviously he would be wearing sunglasses. The part I didn't know about was the rifle that he assembled and disassembled. And it appears that maybe he didn't disassemble it?

I mean, maybe the movies get things right sometimes. Wouldn't surprise me if they get the military-type stuff correct. They use lots of consultants -- i.e. former criminals, military, etc. -- to help them get the crime or military action realistic.
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I said hat and sunglasses. And that the police would release the picture to help find the suspect (although I gave the police too much credit by saying it would be in 30 minutes)

Now, if he left the gun in the woods with political messaging, that would have been a twist I did not anticipate.
 
altmin said:
MSNBC reporting that gop members are freaking out that they are next, wanting more security etc.
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Good, maybe something positive will come from this. Maybe them and people like Ben Shapiro and all these other pot-stirring, vitriolic, grifting dividers will calm down their rhetoric and ponder the FAFO that happened yesterday.
 
gregh1 said:
Good, maybe something positive will come from this. Maybe them and people like Ben Shapiro and all these other pot-stirring, vitriolic, grifting dividers will calm down their rhetoric and ponder the FAFO that happened yesterday.
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Would be nice, but I think the historic reaction is less to shake hands and more to close the fist tighter.
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
Could be disassembled in the backpack. Could be a Boston Marathon bomber situation where a bunch of people get misidentified as the the culprit before they finally figure it out (already had two).
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It would be helpful to know the model of rifle he used. Relatively few bolt actions are take-down builds.
 
rodoheel said:
As to the first point: that was just the most extreme example. You can find many other examples of highly powerful and influential MAGA media and political figures, many of whom are directly connected to the Trump admin (Laura Loomer. Sean Davis, Jesse Watters, etc) calling for the repression or presecution of the political left in response to this. Trump's own public statement about Charlie Kirk vowed retribution against the left for the killing. These statements are all right out in the open.
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Mostly agree.
rodoheel said:
As to the second point - this is where I have to imagine that your professed ignorance is trolling rather than naivete. The entire trajectory of the second Trump admin has been to claim authoritarian power to the executive that no president has ever claimed before. He has, among other things, claimed the right to unilaterally end birthright citizenship, blown up a ship in international waters with no authority other than his own, declared that he may almost any government employees (including those over which he statutorily does not have authority) without justification, clamed the right to deploy the national guard in states to perform policing work, claimed the right to compel states to change their policies for running elections (contrary to what the constitution says), extorted concessions from private universities by unilaterally withholding research money that was already promised, and extorted and threatened to prosecute private law firms and lawyers for nothing more than being or representing his political opponents. I know you know about all of that, and about all of the many other examples I have named. These are all pretty obviously authoritarian things - done at the sole authority and behest of Trump, that he claims to have without restraint from any other branch of the government.

Honestly, do you even know what "authoritarianism" means?
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No doubt that he has tested the limits of executive power, more so than any previous president that I can think of. Keep in mind that Biden tried to unilaterally forgive all student loan debt and tried to leverage OSHA to force 80 million people to get the Covid vax.

He (Trump) has also followed the final rulings of SCOTUS. He claimed an inability to get Abrego Garcia back from Venezuela...but suddenly got him back when order to. He didn't force the NG on Chicago as many feared. He's misused emergency powers to accomplish what he wants to do, but that is a flaw in how the powers are granted. I expect to see Congress to take action to limit emergency and other powers.

Still, in the end, there's no reason to believe he's going to go all Hitler in the country.
 
gregh1 said:
TPUSA/Kirk had to denounce white supremacy because so many things he said and platformed hinted at white supremacy, other racism and things beloved by white supremacists ("great replacement theory", christian nationalism, misogency, islamaphobia etc). But to not be cancelled entirely (and rejected from universities) he had to say "i'm not racist" and "white supremacists are wrong". Him overtly stating this riled up neo-nazies.
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You see, having not known much at all about this guy 24 hours ago… I’m learning more and more about him. If all I’ve read, so far is true - let the speculation begin.
1) it was a left wing nut job, trying to shut him up
2) it was Trump or JD Vance to try and stir the pot and bring about authoritarian rule in all the streets, in other words create their own Reichstag moment.
3) it was a racist, neo-Nazi, white supremacist, who wanted to shut him up for not continuing to espouse their points of view.
4) it was a fan who was shooting off a round in celebration, and one got away.
5) None of the above
6) A combination of #2 and #3
7) Biden did it
8) 2 Black dudes riding around in a Caprice with one in the trunk
 
I like how in the span of two hours from "We were able to track them from the moment they went on campus and we have good video of him and we are positive we are going identify them" to release of a blurry "person of interest" photo of someone wearing large glasses and posting $100,000 reward for info.

sure shook that bravado off quickly
 
Calheel said:
If he shot from 200 meters away, that would give him plenty of time to make a getaway. I'm betting he used a hat and sunglasses and broke the rifle down into a duffle bag. We should have security video clip on the news in the next 30 minutes or so if the guy is still on the loose.
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Calheel said:
I said hat and sunglasses. And that the police would release the picture to help find the suspect (although I gave the police too much credit by saying it would be in 30 minutes)
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It wasn't the hat and sunglasses that gave me pause. It was the detachable rifle in the duffle bag. I mean, maybe in a suitcase would have been even more movie, but I can see Jean Reno taking apart his gun and stashing it after making a hit.

And again, I wasn't trying to criticize you. I don't know shit about guns and what is and isn't available/feasible.
 
ZenMode said:
Mostly agree.

No doubt that he has tested the limits of executive power, more so than any previous president that I can think of. Keep in mind that Biden tried to unilaterally forgive all student loan debt and tried to leverage OSHA to force 80 million people to get the Covid vax.
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He most certainly did not try to unilaterally forgive all student loan debt. First, it was, what, $10K per person? $15K? Second, he was pursuing authorization specifically given to him by Congress, and not just in some bullshit "emergency" form. Third, he had his agencies follow the law when crafting the policies.

The use of OSHA was similarly justified. OSHA is about creating safe workspaces. Workspaces with potentially deadly viruses floating around are not particularly safe. That some people didn't want to obey the mandate is of little moment. There are few OSHA mandates that people love. That's why they have to be mandates.
 
altmin said:
MSNBC reporting that gop members are freaking out that they are next, wanting more security etc.

"fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering..."
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Honestly do not blame them. I'm sure plenty of democratic politicians feel the exact same way and at this point, it seems like they have something to fear.
 
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