Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

Calheel said:
It reminds me of the Oswald-JFK shooting. Oswald would have gotten away with it if he had any chill at all. It is pretty easy to make a get away from a long distance if you don't have secret service snipers all around you.
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That slick dismount from the building was crucial in him getting out of the area quickly.
 
HeelInTheOzarks said:
I always assume in today's America, there would be no way to get away with anything like this, because there are so many cameras that they could just stitch everything together.
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You may be right. It will take a while to get all the Ring cameras and security camera videos to the FBI and do the AI analysis. The Netflix documentary on the Boston Bombers did a good job showing how the FBI processes all the video data. That said, it is possible that Orem has some camera deserts that would allow the suspect to slip away undetected.
 

HeelInTheOzarks said:
I always assume in today's America, there would be no way to get away with anything like this, because there are so many cameras that they could just stitch everything together.
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Agreed. Cameras, facial recognition, DNA, phone tracking, it has to be close to impossible.

Luigi was on the run for 5-6 days and despite all the technology, he was ultimately caught by a McDonald’s employee. Now that the photo and video have been released, perhaps our essential workers have enough to work with to catch the current killer on the run.
 
1moretimeagain said:
Agreed. Cameras, facial recognition, DNA, phone tracking, it has to be close to impossible.

Luigi was on the run for 5-6 days and despite all the technology, he was ultimately caught by a McDonald’s employee. Now that the photo and video have been released, perhaps our essential workers have enough to work with to catch the current killer on the run.
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Man that last paragraph was great.
 
1moretimeagain said:
The first person to post the “Trans engravings” leak:

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OMG that piece of shit Steven Crowder was the first one to report that? LOL. Immediately becomes even more suspect in my eyes.

What sorts of things could someone engrave on a bullet that would constitute "transgender" or "antifacist" ideology anyway? Like "Kill all fascists" or "trans lives matter"?
 
BillOfRights said:
Are you still this f****** stupid?

Yes, you have a right to not get vaccinated. You do not have the right to endanger the lives of your coworkers.
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Actually you do. If you are still working, you could be surrounded by anti-vax psychos right now.
BillOfRights said:
You have the right to smoke cigarettes.You don't have the right to smoke cigarettes in restaurants because it endangers the health of everyone around you.

OSHA
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There are tons of viruses and vaccines. The government can't, and shouldn't, tell any business how they manage their employees vaccination.
 
ZenMode said:
Actually you do. If you are still working, you could be surrounded by anti-vax psychos right now.

There are tons of viruses and vaccines. The government can't, and shouldn't, tell any business how they manage their employees vaccination.
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Go tell George Washington at Valley Forge or any of the the towns and cities that routinely enforced quarantines for serious communicable diseases up until the 1950s. It's a principle that is been in place since epidemics started.
 
evrheel said:
www.rawstory.com

Judge defies resignation calls over 'disgusting' Charlie Kirk post

A suburban Detroit judge shrugged off calls to resign following backlash over her social media post about the killing of Charlie Kirk.On Wednesday evening, Jaimie Powell Horowitz, an Oak Park district court judge, posted a quote from Kirk just hours after he was slain, in which he said in 2023...
www.rawstory.com www.rawstory.com

On Wednesday evening, Jaimie Powell Horowitz, an Oak Park district court judge, posted a quote from Kirk just hours after he was slain, in which he said in 2023, "I think it’s worth it to have the cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every year..so we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God given rights. It’s a prudent deal, a rational deal."
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So accurately quoting offensive and controversial things that Kirk said in his life should lead to people being fired or forced to resign? If merely quoting Kirk's own statements is enough to get people fired then a lot of people are going to be losing their jobs as we move forward. I thought Trumpers were opposed to cancel culture and to snowflake behavior <rolls eyes>.
 
ZenMode said:
Actually you do. If you are still working, you could be surrounded by anti-vax psychos right now.

There are tons of viruses and vaccines. The government can't, and shouldn't, tell any business how they manage their employees vaccination.
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Do you agree that the government can prohibit smoking in workplaces?

Explain how exhaling cancer-causing smoke in crowded enclosed workplaces is different from exhaling a deadly virus.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
So accurately quoting offensive and controversial things that Kirk said in his life should lead to people being fired or forced to resign? If merely quoting Kirk's own statements is enough to get people fired then a lot of people are going to be losing their jobs as we move forward. I thought Trumpers were opposed to cancel culture and to snowflake behavior <rolls eyes>.
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Remember when conservatives told us they were the party of personal responsibility?
 
I detest conspiracy theories and I hate that im going to say the following with no idea whatsoever about who this killer is or his motivations. However, if one were a foreign state actor and wanted to create further American civil unrest for your own benefit, would there be a much better way than something like this?

Could we put such a thing beyond some nations who thrive on US internal discord?
 
Mulberry Heel said:
So accurately quoting offensive and controversial things that Kirk said in his life should lead to people being fired or forced to resign? If merely quoting Kirk's own statements is enough to get people fired then a lot of people are going to be losing their jobs as we move forward. I thought Trumpers were opposed to cancel culture and to snowflake behavior <rolls eyes>.
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Exactly, and this is why I don't see the problem with what Matthew Dowd said yesterday and I don't think he should have been fired for it.

I say that I don't see the problem in the same way I didn't see the problem with Bill Maher saying, "the hijackers in the planes weren't cowards" (paraphrasing) which also got him fired from ABC and ended his show, Politically Incorrect. If it was a non-MAGA** person killed and a Fox talking head said what Dowd said, does anyone really think they would be fired and then issue an apology afterward? Zero chance. Quite the opposite - they'd dig in, double down, and say, "goddamned right I meant it, and furthermore ________________________."



(**IMO, we need to stop playing into the MAGA conditioning of saying "left(ist)(s)" and "Democrat(s)" and say "non-MAGA," since MAGA folks always default to saying "the (radical) left" and/or "Democrat(s)" when it's someone outside their cult. Many of us here are not lefties or Democrats (not there there's anything wrong with it if you are of course), but we may be (former) Republicans currently without a party, who still may identify as moderate/somewhat conservative or would have identified as a Republican/conservative years ago or in a different time period.)
 
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