Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

Callatoroy said:
Maybe you and I see the definition of "racist" differently. I think the term is most frequently misused. I generally apply the literal definition of the word to its meaning and don't label people as racist for making a comment that happens to include race in it. Not in all cases, but that term is more defined by a person's actions than rhetoric. Most of what the left views as racist I view as bigotry.
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Someone who is a bigot towards people of other genders is sexist. Someone who is a bigot towards people with different sexual preferences is homophobic. Someone who is a bigot towards people in other nations is xenophobic. And, yes, someone who is a bigot towards people of other races is, indeed, racist.

You may not like that term being used in that way, but that is what those terms mean.
 
Callatoroy said:
My bar is based more on actions than rhetoric. Not excusing rhetoric but to me rhetoric has to go pretty far for me to label someone as racist. If you watched that clip, it wasn't just being nice. There was genuine or sincere compassion and empathy in his words. I think it is awfully difficult to fake sincerity. My point isn't to try to change anyone's perception of CK because I don't know enough about him. But given the deep love some have and deep hatred other have I wanted to learn more.
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Laws. Actions. Words. Thoughts. All can be racist. Again, it is a spectrum.

And I agree. In that moment, he was being sincere.

People are often sincere towards individuals, while viewing the group that that is a part of as “less then.” It’s why Jews were given numbers. As a number, as statistic, it is easier to dehumanize others. And when we make others feel like they are less then, even if some of our actions are pure, then we dehumanize them.

As with anything, we take things day by day, interaction by interaction. Our views evolve, and we relapse into bad habits.

So it goes.
 
CFordUNC said:
Lololol you’re trying so, so hard and it’s kinda adorable.

“Left on everything in contrast his family” is hilarious. What does that even mean? I’m “left on everything” in contrast with MY family and I’m still much further to the right than like 99.99% of everyone who votes democratic.

Just take the L on this one, man. You swung and missed on what the identity of this shooter would be, like you swing and miss on literally everything else here. Just take the L and hope that the rest of your political party actually is jolted awake by one of their own getting his throat blown off and turns down the rhetoric an
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I’ll take the L if and when it’s an L. Has anyone here taken the L for asserting the Minn school shooter was MAGA when (again) the shooter turned out to be trans?

If the shooter actually assassinated Charlie because he believed he was not right enough then that would be one of the more improbable events in recent history. It’s so improbable that I’m not buying it. It was reported by a family member that at a recent dinner Robinson stated that Kirk was coming to town and that he hated Kirk “for spreading so much hate”. Does that sound like a neo nazi right winger?
 
Ramrouser said:
I’ll take the L if and when it’s an L. Has anyone here taken the L for asserting the Minn school shooter was MAGA when (again) the shooter turned out to be trans?

If the shooter actually assassinated Charlie because he believed he was not right enough then that would be one of the more improbable events in recent history. It’s so improbable that I’m not buying it. It was reported by a family member that at a recent dinner Robinson stated that Kirk was coming to town and that he hated Kirk “for spreading so much hate”. Does that sound like a neo nazi right winger?
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I’ll take an L on the Minnesota shooter even though I didn’t speculate until it was known, because I don’t do that.
 
Ramrouser said:
Family friends report that T Robinson was “left on everything” in contrast with his family. Combine this with the “Hey fascist! Catch” and other anti fascist symbols and songs, no chance he killed Kirk because he wasn’t right wing enough. No Neo Nazi would say fascist catch my bullet.

Also, he’s 22 so 4 or 5 years from HS. People can change a great deal in that time - particularly if they live in the dark web.
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Ramrouser said:
I’ll take the L if and when it’s an L. Has anyone here taken the L for asserting the Minn school shooter was MAGA when (again) the shooter turned out to be trans?

If the shooter actually assassinated Charlie because he believed he was not right enough then that would be one of the more improbable events in recent history. It’s so improbable that I’m not buying it. It was reported by a family member that at a recent dinner Robinson stated that Kirk was coming to town and that he hated Kirk “for spreading so much hate”. Does that sound like a neo nazi right winger?
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Looks like a possible misattribution. Page 2 of the police report says a Robinson relative stated the bit about Kirk and hatred.

 
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