Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

Callatoroy said:
It is. No matter what you say or how much you want to believe it. Democracy was NEVER threatened. To overthrow our democracy it would have taken military action and seizure of the g'ment by people who could have held it with full cooperation of the military. That was never, ever, remotely a possibility. It was then and is now fear mongering from your politicians and media that was totally effective because it convinced educated, but overly emotional people on the left that "our democracy is threatened" Sorry to tell you that you were played, again. If you would pause for some sane reflection, you would realize that the dude wearing the buffalo hat and 200 of his buddies couldn't overthrow the US g'ment. Apply some common sense and dial back the emotion.
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Actually it could also mean that a segment of MAGAts were all in in the overthrow of the government that basis not elect who they wanted as leader…so they attacked the Capitol when not elected, did not when he was.

Is that pro democracy?
 
Callatoroy said:
1) That is a very ignorant comment because you are making such an overly generalized statement that you have zero knowledge of. Are you arguing that democrats raise better kids than republicans? I'm not sure what you are saying but the generalization is just nuts.
2) You have created this "trump doesn't care" fantasy from social media. By all accounts he was very close with the trump family and trump is attending his funeral. To say trump doesn't care because of his comments about the ballroom is just TDS. trump rambles about everything and can't stay focused on any topic more than a few comments when addressing the media.
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1) 2 examples are a generalization? Small sample size wasn’t an issue when you freaked out on Trans in sports or elected democratic leaders spewing hate speech.

2) MAGA households are statistically less likely to have college educated parents and are non-college educated children earn less and commit more crimes across the board. These are just two examples…yet MAGA says college ruins children

3) I have proof in Donald’s interview there that he didn’t care about charlie once the attacker was the left wing person he claimed…in the interview you just saw. Would you pivot to your living room if someone asked about your friend that just got murdered?

MAGA politicians all changed their tune when the real killer was exposed… why do you think? Same thing with the influencers…why do you think that is?
 
I think it’s too soon to really understand the character and the motivations of the suspect.

But based on what I’m seeing on X, the right-wing crowd is absolutely not giving up on the narrative of generally blaming left (maybe radicalized at college….the message in bullet casings echo Dem messaging…whatever). My guess is that they’ll protect that narrative with everything they’ve got, regardless of the truth. Again, I don’t not claim to have a very good grasp on what the truth of the situation is….
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Look I know she's grieving, but wtf is that dumb Stepford wife clone talking about?

Sweetheart, your husband wasn't that important. He was a loudmouth You Tuber with an audience of incel teens. Just be happy his grift operation of the unwashed masses banked you enough money to live comfortably the rest of your life. Don't try to act like he was important enough to rally a movement.
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Stay Classy Will Ferrell GIF
 
ZenMode said:
Stay Classy Will Ferrell GIF
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She was pretty delusional, ignored the hate, and turned up the rhetoric…while ignoring the reality of her late husband’s speech.

I understand that it’s a tough moment, but if she’s not ready for it, she should not be speaking.

Corretta Scott King was hurting and has problem with society…but she did not turn up the rhetoric.

 
nycfan said:
Some interesting observations here:





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Not saying I buy all of it but gives me some things to consider. Reminds me of a Van Morrison line, with a 21st century gender switch:

… All the girls walk by dressed up for each other
(… Wild Night is Calling)
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This is the stuff that scares me.

I’m (recently) 52 years old. I know that’s probably about the mean age of folks on this board, give or take year.

I know that each new generation of kids has their own lingo, tastes, mannerisms, rationale, and modes of communication.

But I feel pretty confident (perhaps foolishly so) that there’s never been a bigger gap in knowledge and understanding over a 2-3 decade period than that between the generation that came of age when computers were still a novelty (pre-1990, say) and those who came of age wholly online (born 2000 and beyond.)
 
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ole howard1 said:
I think it’s too soon to really understand the character and the motivations of the suspect.

But based on what I’m seeing on X, the right-wing crowd is absolutely not giving up on the narrative of generally blaming left (maybe radicalized at college….the message in bullet casings echo Dem messaging…whatever). My guess is that they’ll protect that narrative with everything they’ve got, regardless of the truth. Again, I don’t not claim to have a very good grasp on what the truth of the situation is….
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You are probably correct. Even if definitive proof, absolute truth (in every way that word can be defined) is presented as fact, the narrative won’t change. It will get twisted and spun around to fit their goal. On that fact we can all grasp.
 
I guess the “Bro” culture of young men these days is going to define the generation. With that, we can probably look forward to the 18-35 year old males to vote Republican for the next several cycles. That demographic certainly voted for Trump and Pubs in 2024. That’s if they vote at all going forward.
 
ole howard1 said:
I think it’s too soon to really understand the character and the motivations of the suspect.

But based on what I’m seeing on X, the right-wing crowd is absolutely not giving up on the narrative of generally blaming left (maybe radicalized at college….the message in bullet casings echo Dem messaging…whatever). My guess is that they’ll protect that narrative with everything they’ve got, regardless of the truth. Again, I don’t not claim to have a very good grasp on what the truth of the situation is….
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both sides protect their narratives with everything they got and neither will accept much less admit it.... just what controlled sheep do
 
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