College Basketball 2025-26 Season Thread - Kansas State fires Tang

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C-Money said:
Again, it isn't about just this season. It's about the lack of consistency overall since he has been coach that have people wanting to move on if this ends up being another "okay" season.
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So what would be better than an "okay" season ? I'm still trying to discern what the bar is for a better than "okay season" among the "fire Hubie" Tar Heel nation.
 
wmheel1287 said:
My apologies. I thought you were saying I was in the group who supposedly wants Coach Davis fired at every turn. This entire discussion makes me irritable.
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no worries...
For me, this discussion reminds me of being on Tar Pit where fans thought anything less than 10 wins a season meant we should fire the coach.
 
Watching Ohio State vs Michigan State.

I didn't realize that Puff Johnson was still playing... he's got to be about 30. Did he take time off for a Mormon mission or something?

Just looked it up, he's in his 6th season. Wow.
 
UNCatTech said:
Watching Ohio State vs Michigan State.

I didn't realize that Puff Johnson was still playing... he's got to be about 30. Did he take time off for a Mormon mission or something?

Just looked it up, he's in his 6th season. Wow.
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He went to court to get an injunction against the NCAA who denied a red shirt season due to a misdiagnosed injury.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Not all schedules are the same, nor all games. That is why looking at the metrics is a much better way to go about it. UNC's T-Rank is 21st over the time period when HD took over.

My question is, why is that the case, in your opinion? Second question, is that good enough, in your opinion?
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I think the distinction between UNC and programs ranked a few thousandths of a point higher in T-rank is utterly meaningless

That a team like St. Mary’s grades out so well is a good example. They might have fielded one team legitimately better than UNC over HD’s tenure. They certainly don’t have more high profile wins or NCAAT wins

There are only about 6 or so programs that have separated themselves from the field. I do think UNC should be among those teams going forward

They simply haven’t put together cohesive enough rosters and dealt with a season of apparent chemistry issues
 
Heelsandeers said:
There are only about 6 or so programs that have separated themselves from the field. I do think UNC should be among those teams going forward

They simply haven’t put together cohesive enough rosters and dealt with a season of apparent chemistry issues
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This
 
finesse said:
The problem I have with your school of thought is not that you're completely off base but you're ignoring that we had one player who had ever played in the Duke-UNC game and Davis and his staff has put together a team that, barring injuries( including Seth's early one) would be a top 10 team, promises to have a larger base to build on for last year and you don't seem to even think of the possibility that this is the very progress you've been asking for. Is it? Damned if I know but for all the various reason stated, I just don't get the rush. It can happen next year or the year after if he regresses.

As Voltaire said, "Perfect is the enemy of good." I think it's too soon to chase the magic hire.
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I mean this kindly, but your post is all "ifs and buts and maybes".

We only have 1 player who had ever played in a dook game because HD only retained one player who had previously played in a dook game. That's on HD and it's not some grand excuse.

Barring injuries, this team has not been a top 10 team outside of the antiquated polls. We have much better ways of assessing team results at this point and Carolina was a fringe top-25 in the best of those models and, IIRC, not above 15th in any of them even before injures (outside of Trimble).

We're certainly losing 2 of our 3 best players next year and there's a good chance we lose all 3. Neither of our freshmen recruits are expected to be immediate program changers and so we're going to have to recruit the best parts of next year's team from the portal. That's a tough ask and an area where we should be doing better if we're going into year 6 of a particular coach.

We've had 5 years of HD and we still struggle with many of the same major issues that we were struggling with in the first half of his first season. While HD has shown growth, it has been too slow and too inconsistent. And each year we plod along seeking to be merely better than "good", the door closes a little more on ever being elite again.

To put poor Voltaire's mind at ease, those of us wanting change aren't seeking perfection, we simply want a coach with the proven ability to consistently field a team that plays hard, smart, & together and the better - but not perfect - results that come with it.
 
Heelsandeers said:
I think the distinction between UNC and programs ranked a few thousandths of a point higher in T-rank is utterly meaningless

That a team like St. Mary’s grades out so well is a good example. They might have fielded one team legitimately better than UNC over HD’s tenure. They certainly don’t have more high profile wins or NCAAT wins

There are only about 6 or so programs that have separated themselves from the field. I do think UNC should be among those teams going forward

They simply haven’t put together cohesive enough rosters and dealt with a season of apparent chemistry issues
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When you say that UNC "should be among those teams going forward", do you mean that that should be the future standard we judge the program and its coaches by or that you expect Carolina should be among the teams that do separate themselves (or both, I guess)?
 
Heelsandeers said:
I think the distinction between UNC and programs ranked a few thousandths of a point higher in T-rank is utterly meaningless

That a team like St. Mary’s grades out so well is a good example. They might have fielded one team legitimately better than UNC over HD’s tenure. They certainly don’t have more high profile wins or NCAAT wins

There are only about 6 or so programs that have separated themselves from the field. I do think UNC should be among those teams going forward

They simply haven’t put together cohesive enough rosters and dealt with a season of apparent chemistry issues
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I think given that the sample size is around 180 games those thousandths are more than meaningless. But, I don't see the need here to argue over them. Yes, there will always be an outlier or few, but even removing them I don't see how anyone can argue that UNC has been a top-15 program during HD's tenure.

Having said that, I do completely agree with you that UNC should be among the 5-6 top programs going forward. I'll pose another question to you, what have you seen from HD and his staff that gives you a realistic belief that he will get the program to that status moving forward from today?
 
heelinhell said:
So what would be better than an "okay" season ? I'm still trying to discern what the bar is for a better than "okay season" among the "fire Hubie" Tar Heel nation.
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I would say that Carolina, this year, is a good team, but that we're "simply good".

A season that would put me, personally, more at ease with HD would be a team that spends the entire season in the top 10, is in the thick of the ACC regular season end through the final dook game, makes the ACCT final, gets a top 2 (or, at worst, 3) seed in the NCAAT and the plays up to that seed by making a minimum of the E8.

But the bigger issue I have with HD's coaching isn't really the results, it's that we're never consistently a team that plays hard, smart, and together. We all too often struggle with slow starts to games or we have significant stretches where we play pretty badly within games or we finish poorly. We also have way too many stretches where we play well for even 2-5 games to follow that up with a stretch of 2-5 games of overall pretty poor play. No team is perfect and every team has bad stretches during some games or parts of seasons, but under HD we have been far, far too inconsistent, both within games and across games.

The latter inconsistency issue is my biggest problem with HD's coaching. And I'd bet that if he worked out that issue with any real improvement then nearly every other issue related to the outcomes of our games and seasons would largely be addressed. But over 5 seasons I've seen very little proof that HD has any real solution for the inconsistency that plagues us.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Having said that, I do completely agree with you that UNC should be among the 5-6 top programs going forward. I'll pose another question to you, what have you seen from HD and his staff that gives you a realistic belief that he will get the program to that status moving forward from today?
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I am an HD guy
No we are on track to see a top 6 type program-and we have the want to , and history, and money to do it
Still hoping for something this NCAA tournament
Wishing and hoping
 
aGDevil2k said:
Can we get age limits or something? It's ridiculous. These kids all out here looking like Greg Oden
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It's going to take recognizing athletes as employees, allowing them to unionize, and creating a collective bargaining agreement (barring an outlier event like the Federal government stepping in to put different laws in place, which I think is unlikely and, given the current Federal government, scary).

I agree that better rules are needed, but the courts have made it plain that the NCAA does not have any real power to oversee anything beyond the actions of the member universities of association and so something will have to happen to bring the players into a legal agreement with the schools for anything to change.
 
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