College Basketball 2025-26 Season Thread - Kansas State fires Tang

[SnoopRob]

He'll likely be dead soon so you won't have to worry about him

He's really struggling

It makes me sad that Dickie V has such significant health problems. I wish he'd have a long and happy life.

But the period where he was out for medical reasons improved CBB broadcasts on ESPN by his absence.

I hate that he won't just retire to enjoy the rest of his life with his friends and family. I seriously wonder if he plans to die on camera.

 

[heel79]

Do we know what they are paying? Are we getting what we are paying for? We state like it is absolutely certain that Duke is paying exponentially more than we are in total roster spend. Is that true? How would anyone know?

I keep hearing we have second most expensive roster, which I don't believe for two reasons. One, I don't believe we paid that much. Second, to suggest this, have to know what everyone else is paying. All that said, dook year in and year out puts the most NBA players on the court. It's a given. Since NIL rules, not hard to believe they are paying the most, just like the Yankees and dodgers. Does not seem like a big leap to me. As for are we getting our money's worth? Hard to know without real info.
But since it seems almost stipulated dook.pays the most and it's been a decade since the win it all, I concluded they are not getting what they are paying for.


ETA: I think Hubert's pay is 30 for 50 range.

 

[aGDevil2k]

It makes me sad that Dickie V has such significant health problems. I wish he'd have a long and happy life.

But the period where he was out for medical reasons improved CBB broadcasts on ESPN by his absence.

I hate that he won't just retire to enjoy the rest of his life with his friends and family. I seriously wonder if he plans to die on camera.

I agree with that. The last broadcast he did for one of our games (Clemson I think) was just sad to hear. You hear the frailty in his voice. Half of it is just wrong and random.

Thankfully Corey Alexander rescued him a lot.

Glad my son got a picture with him years ago. But it's time to sunset and live out his days peacefully. I guess hard to give it up...

 

[wmheel1287]

I keep hearing we have second most expensive roster, which I don't believe for two reasons. One, I don't believe we paid that much. Second, to suggest this, have to know what everyone else is paying. All that said, dook year in and year out puts the most NBA players on the court. It's a given. Since NIL rules, not hard to believe they are paying the most, just like the Yankees and dodgers. Does not seem like a big leap to me. As for are we getting our money's worth? Hard to know without real info.
But since it seems almost stipulated dook.pays the most and it's been a decade since the win it all, I concluded they are not getting what they are paying for

So say if they were paying $13 million and we were paying $10 Million, would either of us be getting a good return? I would say no.

 

[heel79]

So say if they were paying $13 million and we were paying $10 Million, would either of us be getting a good return? I would say no.

My default position is to think poorly of dook and give UNC benefit of doubt.

 

[Batt Boy]

Dooks wins, making our win seemingly better, yet our net stays the same?

At least our WAB has improved.

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[SnoopRob]

So say if they were paying $13 million and we were paying $10 Million, would either of us be getting a good return? I would say no.

What are you basing this on? Something like going rates for high-end CBB players or the idea that no CBB roster should cost 8 figures?

Because those numbers for each seem to be reasonably within the high-end of CBB rosters and it's hard to argue dook isn't doing well with the money they spend.

 

[wmheel1287]

What are you basing this on? Something like going rates for high-end CBB players or the idea that no CBB roster should cost 8 figures?

Because those numbers for each seem to be reasonably within the high-end of CBB rosters and it's hard to argue dook isn't doing well with the money they spend.

Im just trying to get people to commit to some kind of numbers rather than the just often trotted out excuse (in my opinion) that Duke is untouchable in spend and we are some kind of paupers who are lucky to get an end of stale bread.

If Duke truly is spending elite money, then no they haven't gotten the results because they haven't won a title. If we are spending in the top 10-15 then we aren't getting those results either.

My uninformed guess is that the spending of the two programs aint all that far apart.

 

[CharmCityTiger]

Look, we all hate Duke but it's a little silly to suggest Scheyer hasn't gotten what he paid for because he hasn't won a national title in his first three seasons

 

[Bigs23]

Look, we all hate Duke but it's a little silly to suggest Scheyer hasn't gotten what he paid for because he hasn't won a national title in his first three seasons

Would the Dodgers be okay not winning the WS?

 

[wmheel1287]

Look, we all hate Duke but it's a little silly to suggest Scheyer hasn't gotten what he paid for because he hasn't won a national title in his first three seasons

Well thats really a question of what the spend is. I am simply saying if it is so much dramatically higher than anyone else (as is often presented here as a fact), then indeed he should be winning titles.

I am doubtful the spend is that extravagant, for what it's worth.

 

[dukeman92]

Exactly. Folks think K and d00k hit a triple when hiring Cryerface -

And yes, the money bags and top recruiting classes started 10-15 years ago. Just after Calishady started doing it a UK, Ratface fell in line right after that.

And yes, they've been paying boatloads more ever since then, and still do to this day. They're like the Yankees and Dodgers, throwing money around, spending WAAYY more than all the other "small market" teams... always getting the best money can buy. Always.

And once you bought all those top-end Jimmys and Joes, all a coach has to do is roll the ball out there and say "go get em boys".
But some how or other - only K's 2015 team won the World Series. All the rest of those top-heavy teams got shut out in the preliminary and divisional rounds - some getting swept in 4 games.

And one of those teams that did make it to the FF got choked by a Hubert-led team.

I'll take Hubert and my light-colored blue team.

I hope State beats the d00kies. There. I said it.

Cool.

Jon Scheyer lost all five starters from last year. Brought in zero transfers for the rotation. Starts 3 bench players from last season along with two freshmen. And has brought them all the way back to the number one ranked team in the country.

Duke scored on EVERY possession after the under four timeout last night. Including a tremendous play drawn up for Evans after UM cut it to one. I know this is a Carolina board and I try hard to stay out of the back and forth… and Scheyer is certainly not without fault… I was more than skeptical about the hire… but you’re right. Duke didn’t hit a triple, they hit a grand slam.

 

[heel79]

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Look, we all hate Duke but it's a little silly to suggest Scheyer hasn't gotten what he paid for because he hasn't won a national title in his first three seasons

Hubert is 5-6 against dook. Not once has he put more talent on the floor against dook.

 

[bassydude77]

Random thought but listening to the commentary during the men’s hockey final is so much better than college basketball. College basketball broadcasts are just unbearably bad these days.

 

[superrific]

Starts 3 bench players from last season along with two freshmen.

Just because he underutilized his personnel last season doesn't mean he is bereft of talent. Isiaah Evans was a top 10 recruit. Caleb Foster was #12 according to Google. Ngonba was a top 20 recruit.

You are in reality distortion that would impress MAGAs if you really think Duke doesn't have a massive talent advantage over pretty much everyone.

 

[Bigs23]

Cool.

Jon Scheyer lost all five starters from last year. Brought in zero transfers for the rotation. Starts 3 bench players from last season along with two freshmen. And has brought them all the way back to the number one ranked team in the country.

Duke scored on EVERY possession after the under four timeout last night. Including a tremendous play drawn up for Evans after UM cut it to one. I know this is a Carolina board and I try hard to stay out of the back and forth… and Scheyer is certainly not without fault… I was more than skeptical about the hire… but you’re right. Duke didn’t hit a triple, they hit a grand slam.

That's the dookie horseshit we've come to know and detest.

dook always has more talent, 100% of the time.

If we trade Hubert and Scheyerface UNC doesn't get better and dook doesn't get worse.

It's not the coaching.

 

[wmheel1287]

That's the dookie horseshit we've come to know and detest.

dook always has more talent, 100% of the time.

If we trade Hubert and Scheyerface UNC doesn't get better and dook doesn't get worse.

It's not the coaching.

Serious question...what is coaching responsible for in a program to you? If neither Scheyer nor Hubert get credit nor blame for their talent and rosters and the teams would be the same if the coaches were swapped, what is it that you view as being related to the ability of the head coach?

 

[wmheel1287]

By the way, some of y'all are dicks for no reason to the Duke fans on the board. I haven't seen a single Duke fan ever get out of line or rag on Carolina. I get that it is a board born of UNC fans but that doesnt mean we have to be insufferable cocksuckers to people who engage in well meaning discussion.

 

[SnoopRob]

Im just trying to get people to commit to some kind of numbers rather than the just often trotted out excuse (in my opinion) that Duke is untouchable in spend and we are some kind of paupers who are lucky to get an end of stale bread.

If Duke truly is spending elite money, then no they haven't gotten the results because they haven't won a title. If we are spending in the top 10-15 then we aren't getting those results either.

My uninformed guess is that the spending of the two programs aint all that far apart.

Ah, I see. I agree that you're correct that dook likely isn't untouchable in what they're spending and we aren't paupers. I also agree that it is likely that there isn't a massive difference between our respective spending amounts and do think dook is doing a better job with their money building their rosters.

I think Scheyer had an adjustment period his first season to a season and a half, but since then they've been a consistently top-tier team. Spending lots of money doesn't guarantee a national championship, even with a great team and coach, so I won't hold that against them. To my eye, they've gotten a great return for their money over the last 2.5 seasons.

 

[aGDevil2k]

Just because he underutilized his personnel last season doesn't mean he is bereft of talent. Isiaah Evans was a top 10 recruit. Caleb Foster was #12 according to Google. Ngonba was a top 20 recruit.

You are in reality distortion that would impress MAGAs if you really think Duke doesn't have a massive talent advantage over pretty much everyone.

I disagree he underutilized his personnel.
We fucked up down the stretch against Houston. Otherwise it was a really damn good season. Chokes happen.