College Basketball 2025-26 season thread

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Enigma94 said:
How the hell is ncst 6 spots higher than us on Kenpom? Their best win is Clemson followed by freaking Wake Forest. They also lost to Georgia Tech. What a joke. At some point beating shitty teams by a lot shouldn’t give that much of a boost.
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Ken Pom gonna Ken Pom
 
Enigma94 said:
How the hell is ncst 6 spots higher than us on Kenpom? Their best win is Clemson followed by freaking Wake Forest. They also lost to Georgia Tech. What a joke. At some point beating shitty teams by a lot shouldn’t give that much of a boost.
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The folks who design advanced metrics have looked at capping margin of victory and are pretty much in consensus that doing so hurts their metrics’ predictive ability.
 
Rock said:
As a KU fan, Missouri is our version of Duke (despite that getting screwed up when they left for the SEC) and Kansas State is NCState. I think.

So, KState paying WAY too much money to Jerome Tang and them being an absolute dumpster fire, having just lost to Iowa St 95-61 and dropping to 1-9 in conference, is such a treat to savor. His buy out is I think a ridiculous 19 million and they don’t have anyone to pay that.

Always fun to watch little bro twist in the wind.
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That’s appropriate since there was a period back in the late-90s through the mid-2000s where Kansas was coached by a UNC alum (Roy Williams) while Missouri was coached by a Duke alum (Quin Snyder). Oddly enough, Snyder used to be married to Larry Brown’s daughter.
 
Enigma94 said:
How the hell is ncst 6 spots higher than us on Kenpom? Their best win is Clemson followed by freaking Wake Forest. They also lost to Georgia Tech. What a joke. At some point beating shitty teams by a lot shouldn’t give that much of a boost.
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ncst shoots it well from 3 and takes a bunch so it grades out efficiently

KP says they are better than I would've expected defensively. Games I've watched them against good teams it's been a layup line. They have done a decent job of limiting the bad teams I guess

SMU blew it last night. Led most of the game and one big run allowed ncst to take it. SMU must've missed 5+ layups
 
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Enigma94 said:
Of course we all know that, but I preferred when who you beat was more important than how much you win your games by.
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“How much you win by” has always been important. I’m not sure when you would have watched any sport and not taken note of the margin of victory when comparing teams.
 
SnoopRob said:
“How much you win by” has always been important. I’m not sure when you would have watched any sport and not taken note of the margin of victory when comparing teams.
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Beating the shit out of quad 4 opponents has never been important in terms of measuring team quality. Certainly if you beat good teams by more that is meaningful. NCST's rating is inflated by an average margin of victory over Q4 teams of 35 points. Until last night they only had one win of any note and that was Clemson. So our resume was and still is superior, other than margin of victory over crappy teams.
 
Posted similarly elsewhere here...

Modern Lunardiesque Bracketology and the metrics used to make that sort of calculation is a travesty.

Hate these ways of measurement exactly because it does not permit bench players to get court time or coaches to work with different line-ups or schemes in real game situations.

That is something that I truly believe that Coach Smith would despise.
 
Calheel said:
John Camden is the Cal guy that lit us up. And Cal did play way worse when he was off the floor. He is also the guy that I thought looked like Eminem.
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Camden came off the bench for 2 years at Virginia Tech. MJ Collins is 4th on that list, and he also came off the bench for Virginia Tech, transferred to Vandy with Tyler Nickel, then on to Utah State. I wonder if it's just the new environment or maturity and work that has led to their improvement.
 
BillOfRights said:
Camden came off the bench for 2 years at Virginia Tech. MJ Collins is 4th on that list, and he also came off the bench for Virginia Tech, transferred to Vandy with Tyler Nickel, then on to Utah State. I wonder if it's just the new environment or maturity and work that has led to their improvement.
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Yes.
 
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