It wasn't Roy or Lloyd that I was talking about. As I was addressing the hate from many UNC fans towards him, which didn't occur until the season before he left. It's hard to have good stats when you're expected to run the same offensive set that doesn't work and then jack up a contested shot when the shot-clock is winding down. (Which is exactly what we're seeing this year, and in previous years under HD.) Roy and Lloyd actually (try to/tried to) change based on their personnel's strengths/weaknesses at the time - those two didn't keep trying to jam a round peg into a slit, especially not to the point where their team gave/gives up all hopes that they know what they're doing. That might be a reason why those two coaches' teams improved over the course of the year, and remained near the top of the landscape, year in and year out.