Congress Catch-All

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uncmba said:
How many rounds do we think this shit show will go?
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Between one and a baker’s dozen. I think Johnson will negotiate rules that permit his future defenestration to get the vote today and they’ll shove him out a window the first bump in the road sometime later this year.
 
uncmba said:
How many rounds do we think this shit show will go?
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I think it will be relatively modest. They all know Trump wants it done quickly and has approved of Johnson for now but there’s no way some of these assholes refrain from peacocking. I figure there will be a mini protest among the budget hawk/libertarian faction and a symbolic shot across the bow vote for Scalise or Jordan to make sure Johnson knows he’s on a short leash. I’ll go with three rounds.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
I think it will be relatively modest. They all know Trump wants it done quickly and has approved of Johnson for now but there’s no way some of these assholes refrain from peacocking. I figure there will be a mini protest among the budget hawk/libertarian faction and a symbolic shot across the bow vote for Scalise or Jordan to make sure Johnson knows he’s on a short leash. I’ll go with three rounds.
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That seems most likely, but I have learned to never underestimate the abject stupidity of the House Republican caucus.
 

“… there is a roundabout way to get around the need for 218 votes. A small number of Republicans could vote “present,” which would lower the majority vote threshold. That is how Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-California) was elected speaker two years ago.

It’s unclear whether Johnson has tried to convince holdouts to vote “present” rather than against his nomination.

… Johnson worked the phones over the holiday break from Louisiana to get an understanding of why roughly a half dozen Republicans remained undecided about whether to support his bid. He spent Thursday in the Capitol and met for more than two hours with several holdouts. Negotiations continued through the evening as several lawmakers sought firm commitments from Johnson to pass conservative bills without relying on Democrats. …”

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Such a dumb, impossible demand when you start with a 1-vote majority that will eventually be about 3 votes (depending on absences etc).
 
nycfan said:

“… there is a roundabout way to get around the need for 218 votes. A small number of Republicans could vote “present,” which would lower the majority vote threshold. That is how Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-California) was elected speaker two years ago.

It’s unclear whether Johnson has tried to convince holdouts to vote “present” rather than against his nomination.

… Johnson worked the phones over the holiday break from Louisiana to get an understanding of why roughly a half dozen Republicans remained undecided about whether to support his bid. He spent Thursday in the Capitol and met for more than two hours with several holdouts. Negotiations continued through the evening as several lawmakers sought firm commitments from Johnson to pass conservative bills without relying on Democrats. …”

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Such a dumb, impossible demand when you start with a 1-vote majority that will eventually be about 3 votes (depending on absences etc).
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That's what happens when your party focuses on electing legislative terrorists rather than actual legislators. Chickens coming home to roost.
 
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“… If there’s no elected speaker, House members cannot be sworn into office, and the chamber cannot proceed with its business. This means that, if there’s no one in the seat by Jan. 6, the chamber will not be able to certify the results of the 2024 election for Donald Trump — a largely ceremonial but necessary step.

However, the House could adopt a resolution naming a temporary speaker or caretaker of the House that would serve the chamber for limited purposes such as certifying the results of the election, Daniel Schuman, executive director of the American Governance Institute, noted.

“Republicans are not going to want to do anything that could possibly interfere with the counting of electoral votes for Trump,” he said. “And the role of the speaker in that process is pretty limited, so they could have the acting clerk play that role [or] they could go and have Mike Johnson, they could just extend him for a week.”

… Former president Jimmy Carter’s remains are expected to lie in state at the Capitol Rotunda from Jan. 7 to the morning of Jan. 9, when his state funeral will be held. The House has to pass a resolution to allow the ceremony to occur. While that vote is expected to be widely bipartisan, if there is no speaker, the House cannot carry out the process.

But Thomas Wickham, a former House parliamentarian, told The Washington Post that while a House vote is traditionally required to hold a lying-in-state, there are other ways in which the ceremony could be approved. …”

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Pretty sure that the J6 certification is the only reason Trump got involved ahead of time. Otherwise he seems to like the kind of drama/chaos that might have unfolded …
 
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“… More pressing for the House, however, is the issue of the debt ceiling — Treasury Secretary Janet L. Yellen warned last week that the U.S. has less than three weeks to raise its debt limit before it will need to take “extraordinary measures” to sustain federal operations.

Failing to lift the debt limit could have catastrophic consequences for the global economy, as the U.S. government has never before defaulted on its debt obligations.

Allies of Johnson in the House are warning their Republican colleagues that they’re better off not delaying the selection of a speaker, arguing that it will only delay the implementation of Republican priorities.

Hard-liners, however, want Johnson to outline a plan for spending cuts in exchange for lifting the debt ceiling. …”
 
nycfan said:

“… there is a roundabout way to get around the need for 218 votes. A small number of Republicans could vote “present,” which would lower the majority vote threshold. That is how Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-California) was elected speaker two years ago.

It’s unclear whether Johnson has tried to convince holdouts to vote “present” rather than against his nomination.

… Johnson worked the phones over the holiday break from Louisiana to get an understanding of why roughly a half dozen Republicans remained undecided about whether to support his bid. He spent Thursday in the Capitol and met for more than two hours with several holdouts. Negotiations continued through the evening as several lawmakers sought firm commitments from Johnson to pass conservative bills without relying on Democrats. …”

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Such a dumb, impossible demand when you start with a 1-vote majority that will eventually be about 3 votes (depending on absences etc).
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and if GQPers vote "present" ?

www.rawstory.com

'It is numerically possible': House Dem claims Hakeem Jeffries could win speaker vote

The Ranking Member of the House Oversight Committee claimed Friday that it's "numerically possible" for Democrats to thwart Republicans and vote in House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) as the new House Speaker.Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-VA) told CNN's Jim Acosta that House Democrats are...
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Count is 2015 for Jeffries and 215 for Johnson...

no one voted present

How will the 2nd round turnout ?

Looks like a late GQPer has turned up to vote...

216 for Johnson and 2015 for Jeffries
 
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p5mmr9 said:
It would be hilarious if they screwed up the "present" math and Jeffries were elected Speaker.
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If it were to lock him in for two years as speaker then great. If it were only for a few days or so then no. The Dems would be obligated to certify the election upon election of their speaker. I had this discussion several weeks ago with a poster who didn't believe this scenario could play out.

The best that could happen is the GOP remain in limbo for a few days and throw Trump into a panic. That's worth seeing right there! And poetic justice considering Trump tried to screw with the certification last time.
 
Looks like Self, Norman and Massie are not supporting Johnson.
 
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