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HintonJamesHeel said:
The lab leak theory was never flimsy and now our government agrees.

It’s always more xenophobic to believe the virus came from how the Chinese clean animals, what they eat, etc. They have no control over that lab. Calling the lab leak xenophobic makes literally no sense.

Anyone with common sense knew it was always likely the answer. Clearly, Kamala knew the info as during the debate with Trump she said it was the lab.
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Do you lie on purpose about this government finding or are you just unable to parse the words "low confidence"?
 
wmheel1287 said:
Do you lie on purpose about this government finding or are you just unable to parse the words "low confidence"?
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Pretty clear they believe lab over the other options. They state they favor that theory.

www.nytimes.com

C.I.A. Now Favors Lab Leak Theory to Explain Covid’s Origins

A new analysis that began under the Biden administration is released by the C.I.A.’s new director, John Ratcliffe, who wants the agency to get “off the sidelines” in the debate.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

The C.I.A. has said for years that it did not have enough information to conclude whether the Covid pandemic emerged naturally from a wet market in Wuhan, China, or from an accidental leak at a research lab there.

But the agency issued a new assessment this week, with analysts saying they now favor the lab theory.
 
Callatoroy said:
Do you believe it was a lab leak?
Came from a fresh market?
Came from China?
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I don't believe there is absolutely definitive evidence in either direction. As I've already stated on the thread several times, I think that making definitive statements about something that is so clearly unknown is a fool's errand. I think that the evidence I've seen tends toward a more likely source near the wet markets...but that's more geography based than it is based on some substantive source finding. It's almost certain that the outbreak itself originated in China. I don't see anything to suggest otherwise there.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Pretty clear they believe lab over the other options. They state they favor that theory.

www.nytimes.com

C.I.A. Now Favors Lab Leak Theory to Explain Covid’s Origins

A new analysis that began under the Biden administration is released by the C.I.A.’s new director, John Ratcliffe, who wants the agency to get “off the sidelines” in the debate.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

The C.I.A. has said for years that it did not have enough information to conclude whether the Covid pandemic emerged naturally from a wet market in Wuhan, China, or from an accidental leak at a research lab there.

But the agency issued a new assessment this week, with analysts saying they now favor the lab theory.
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Favoring a theory with low confidence is FAR from the definitive that you apparently believe it to be. You're doing something no different than those who completely dismissed the possibility that a lab leak was the source. You're just doing it in an opposite direction.

And by the way, the CIA is not the entirety of the US Government. It is one cog in the machine.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Pretty clear they believe lab over the other options. They state they favor that theory.

www.nytimes.com

C.I.A. Now Favors Lab Leak Theory to Explain Covid’s Origins

A new analysis that began under the Biden administration is released by the C.I.A.’s new director, John Ratcliffe, who wants the agency to get “off the sidelines” in the debate.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

The C.I.A. has said for years that it did not have enough information to conclude whether the Covid pandemic emerged naturally from a wet market in Wuhan, China, or from an accidental leak at a research lab there.

But the agency issued a new assessment this week, with analysts saying they now favor the lab theory.
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Either way, Trump and his minions' mishandling of the pandemic is directly responsible for the loss of at least 500,000 to 750,000 lives. How many do you think he'll kill this time around? Will he beat his record? I don't know about you, but I CAN WAIT to find out!!!
 
wmheel1287 said:
I don't believe there is absolutely definitive evidence in either direction. As I've already stated on the thread several times, I think that making definitive statements about something that is so clearly unknown is a fool's errand. I think that the evidence I've seen tends toward a more likely source near the wet markets...but that's more geography based than it is based on some substantive source finding. It's almost certain that the outbreak itself originated in China. I don't see anything to suggest otherwise there.
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Ok, Does it matter if we know conclusively? Any reason that we wouldn't want full transparency? Personally I believe it came from a lab leak.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Favoring a theory with low confidence is FAR from the definitive that you apparently believe it to be. You're doing something no different than those who completely dismissed the possibility that a lab leak was the source. You're just doing it in an opposite direction.

And by the way, the CIA is not the entirety of the US Government. It is one cog in the machine.
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Issue is those that mentioned this was a possibility were told they were crazy conspiracy theorists by the media and government officials. That was China level stuff.
 
Callatoroy said:
Ok, Does it matter if we know conclusively? Any reason that we wouldn't want full transparency? Personally I believe it came from a lab leak.
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As I've also said numerous times in this thread, I think any discussion or examination of the source is a colossal waste of energy and resources at this point. The examinations need to be how we can better respond in a more unified manner to lessen the death toll and societal impact.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Issue is those that mentioned this was a possibility were told they were crazy conspiracy theorists by the media and government officials. That was China level stuff.
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And latching on to a low confidence lean as gospel truth isn't helping to shed that crazy label. The source isn't known. It's speculated. There are plausible explanations in different directions.
 
wmheel1287 said:
As I've also said numerous times in this thread, I think any discussion or examination of the source is a colossal waste of energy and resources at this point. The examinations need to be how we can better respond in a more unified manner to lessen the death toll and societal impact.
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Disagree very much. Setting aside the right-left politics of this issue, it is important to know what caused the virus. Among other things, procedures at (not to mention funding for) virology labs around the world would be significantly impacted by a finding that a worldwide pandemic was caused by a lab leak.

Also, if it is possible to engineer such deadly viruses, that has implications for bioweapons and how to defend against such risks as a national security matter.
 
wmheel1287 said:
And latching on to a low confidence lean as gospel truth isn't helping to shed that crazy label. The source isn't known. It's speculated. There are plausible explanations in different directions.
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Why do you not want it to be? It’s so much worse for the Chinese people if it came from their hygiene.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Why do you not want it to be? It’s so much worse for the Chinese people if it came from their hygiene.
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I don't "want" it to be either. Why would anyone have a particular preference as to the source? Either way, our response to such a pandemic is far more important to me.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Why do you not want it to be? It’s so much worse for the Chinese people if it came from their hygiene.
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I've asked you before and I will ask again. Give me one piece of evidence that it came from a lab. One. You won't, because none exists.

The problem here, as always, is that you MAGA fools have no idea how much knowledge exists in the world. You do not understand microbiology or chemistry or DNA or pretty much any science, and therefore you assume that nobody does. You assume that virologists cannot trace the path of viruses because you don't know how that would work.

The science is clear: the virus was very, very likely zoonotic in origin and had nothing to do with the lab.
 
The science is clear that something is likely? I can just imagine your 1,000 word dissertation had someone else said that. Actually I don't have to imagine. Here it comes ...
 
heel79 said:
The science is clear that something is likely? I can just imagine your 1,000 word dissertation had someone else said that. Actually I don't have to imagine. Here it comes ...
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Oh good, another episode of "I don't understand something so therefore it must not be true." Let me try to put things in more familiar terms for you.

Suppose there are two people arguing about where a hurricane is going to hit. One says that it will hit central Florida and thus probably Tampa. The other says, nah, I think it's going to Galveston because I dreamed it. The other one says, "no, the science of hurricane tracking is clear. The hurricane is headed toward Florida, and will very likely impact Tampa."

Get it now? Or do I need to simplify from high school level to junior high?
 
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