CURRENT EVENTS - DECEMBER

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tallheel95 said:
Sucks. Have seen quite a number of veterans with cancer and neurological issues that are likely due to the water at Lejeune. Others who are healthy now but afraid that they'll get a diagnosis in the future...
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It’s not just veterans.

It’s their spouses and children and dates back to at least the ‘60’s.

WUNC has been running stories on water issues at Camp Lejeune for at least 5 years.
 
Zoo_View said:
It’s not just veterans.

It’s their spouses and children and dates back to at least the ‘60’s.

WUNC has been running stories on water issues at Camp Lejeune for at least 5 years.
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I lived in Snead's Ferry on the New River Inlet off the back gate of Camp Lejeune in 69-70 and stories about the water were starting to circulate among the watermen already. I actually had a commercial fisherman's license so I could go clamming and sell them. Spent too much time in the water in retrospect but not enough to worry about.
 
nycfan said:
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www.nytimes.com

How Did the C.I.A. Lose a Nuclear Device?

A plutonium-packed generator disappeared on one of the world’s highest mountains in a covert mission that the U.S. will not talk about.
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“… the C.I.A. dispatched the climbers to set up all this gear — including the 50-pound, beach-ball-size nuclear device — on the roof of the world to eavesdrop on Chinese mission control.

But right as the climbers were about to push for the summit, the weather went haywire. The wind howled, the clouds descended, a blizzard swept in and the top of the forbidding mountain, called Nanda Devi, suddenly disappeared in a whiteout.

From his perch at advance base camp, Capt. M.S. Kohli, the highest-ranking Indian on the mission, watched in panic.

…“Come back quickly,” Captain Kohli remembered ordering them. “Don’t waste a single minute.”

“Aye, aye, sir.”

Then Captain Kohli made a fateful decision. He needed to, he said — to save the climbers’ lives.

“Secure the equipment. Don’t bring it down.”

“Aye, aye, sir.”

The climbers scampered down the mountain after stashing the C.I.A. gear on a ledge of ice, abandoning a nuclear device that contained nearly a third of the total amount of plutonium used in the Nagasaki bomb.

It hasn’t been seen since.

And that was 1965.…”
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Nanda Devi is one of the most isolated high mountains in the world and among the most difficult to climb. It hasn’t

Much of it and its surrounding area have been off limits to anyone from the mid-late ‘60’s and on……has nothing to do with the missing plutonium device.
 
wmheel1287 said:
You haven't explained anything. You certainly haven't explained why criminality by an immigrant is somehow worse than criminality by a native born person. There is absolutely nothing logical to me about that kind of stance and it REEKS of xenophobia so I'm giving you an opportunity to explain.
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Ok. I'll try again....

We don't have to let immigrants in. We do because it's the right thing to do. We do because we want to give people opportunities that they otherwise would not have in their home country. We are opening our "home" to them, to give them a chance to have an infinitely better life; a chance at the American dream.

When "you" try to help people, give them opportunities to dramatically improve their lives and the lives of their kids and they turn around and bite the hand that's feeding them, yes, that is different than someone who is born here committing the same crime.

If you don't see it and don't agree, that's fine. We can agree to disagree.
 
ZenMode said:
Ok. I'll try again....

We don't have to let immigrants in. We do because it's the right thing to do. We do because we want to give people opportunities that they otherwise would not have in their home country. We are opening our "home" to them, to give them a chance to have an infinitely better life; a chance at the American dream.

When "you" try to help people, give them opportunities to dramatically improve their lives and the lives of their kids and they turn around and bite the hand that's feeding them, yes, that is different than someone who is born here committing the same crime.

If you don't see it and don't agree, that's fine. We can agree to disagree.
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I've asked this a half dozen times here at least. Name the last wave of immigrants that has hurt American in the long run and back it up with something besides your opinion.
 
finesse said:
I've asked this a half dozen times here at least. Name the last wave of immigrants that has hurt American in the long run and back it up with something besides your opinion.
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Mayflower Pilgrams. They screwed-up America's sense of what is moral, what is wrong, and who gets to decide for centuries. Take that Pilgram "stuff" and shove it back inside your church. You do NOT get to impose your morals on the entire country, just because you were one of the early settlers. I am tired of the Pilgrams 17th Century sense of entitlement still be given deference as if it was the Word of God, rather than the +400-year-old ravings of religious loons.
 
05C40 said:
Mayflower Pilgrams. They screwed-up America's sense of what is moral, what is wrong, and who gets to decide for centuries. Take that Pilgram "stuff" and shove it back inside your church. You do NOT get to impose your morals on the entire country, just because you were one of the early settlers. I am tired of the Pilgrams 17th Century sense of entitlement still be given deference as if it was the Word of God, rather than the +400-year-old ravings of religious loons.
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"Long term" is also subjective. If we're talking about immigrants who dramatically and negatively impacted the country, I would say the 9/11 terrorists, who's actions created some of the most intrusive and (IMO) unconstitutional government overreach in modern history.
 
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