CURRENT EVENTS July 31-Sept 27

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Didn't see that in the videos I've viewed. I saw everyone pretty much ignoring the situation. The guy behind her (who was sitting across the aisle of the killer) simply gets up, glances at her, and walks past her immediately after she was attacked. The lady in red beside her simply turns away from her. I'll take your word that some people later came to her aid because watching the videos is starting to wear on me.
Yes, they did try to assist her:

“A man ran to tell the light rail operator what happened and to stop.
….
Heroic passengers rushed to Zarutska’s aid.

One man took his shirt off to dress the wound and attempted CPR.”

—From This website is unavailable in your location. – WSOC TV
 

On a cloudy, frigid day in December 1958, a small group of wealthy businessmen met in Indianapolis and formed a new organization. They called it the John Birch Society. Their mission was to educate the American people about the communist conspiracy that they believed was infiltrating the United States.

"The founder, Robert Welch, conveyed a deep sense of grievance and anger," says Matthew Dallek, professor of political management at George Washington University and author of Birchers: How the John Birch Society Radicalized the American Right. "The message was very powerful: you're losing your country to traitors, and they're not just any traitors, they're actually traitors within."

… convinced that the United Nations was a threat to U.S. sovereignty and in 1960, he joined the John Birch Society.

The sisters were taught that both Martin Luther King Jr. and Fred Rogers were communists. "Our father had a kind of paranoia," Meehan said. "He had this feeling that there are a lot of enemies out there."

Society meetings covered a wide range of topics. They argued that fluoridation of water was ushering in socialized medicine; that the Civil Rights Movement was a plot directed by the Kremlin; and that Chief Justice Earl Warren should be impeached.

The society lambasted many of the Warren court's decisions: protecting First Amendment rights for communists; banning school prayer in public schools; and paving the way for desegregation with its ruling in Brown v. Board of Education.”


Same shit now, just more organized and with bigger guns.
Unfortunately, that asshole is a UNC graduate.
 
Yes, they did try to assist her:

“A man ran to tell the light rail operator what happened and to stop.
….
Heroic passengers rushed to Zarutska’s aid.

One man took his shirt off to dress the wound and attempted CPR.”

—From This website is unavailable in your location. – WSOC TV
I haven't seen that part of the video. That's good to hear and restores a bit of my faith in humanity. The two people nearest her, however, didn't do squat to help or assist. The killer also walks freely within the train as he heads to the exit door.

It has nothing to do with my relying on Fox news as I've been at the office all day without a tv.
 


Background:

Why a Princeton graduate student kidnapped in Iraq still isn’t free 800 days later​


“… Relatives of Tsurkov — who holds Israeli and Russian citizenship — are trying to remain optimistic.

… [in May at the time of this story] Negotiators are focusing on an exchange that would include seven Lebanese captured during the latest war between Israel and Hezbollah.

… Although Tsurkov entered Iraq using her Russian passport, Russia has declined to get involved in negotiating for her release, Emma Tsurkov said.

… Also involved in a possible exchange are five men in prison in Iraq for the 2022 fatal shooting of Stephen Edward Troell, a 45-year-old teacher from Tennessee. Troell was killed as he pulled up to the street where he lived in central Baghdad with his family.…”
 
I haven't seen that part of the video. That's good to hear and restores a bit of my faith in humanity. The two people nearest her, however, didn't do squat to help or assist. The killer also walks freely within the train as he heads to the exit door.

It has nothing to do with my relying on Fox news as I've been at the office all day without a tv.
He went into a separate car and exited from that car. Those people had no idea what happened. People who witnessed the attack then helped police identify him and he was apprehended on the platform.

I don’t know specifically what the people nearest her did or didn’t do after the incident unfolded, but keep in mind, they didn’t get to assess the situation from the comfort of the internet. We on the internet can talk a big game, but we never truly know what we might do when we find ourselves in traumatic circumstances. There were probably moments where those people couldn’t wrap their heads around what was going on and moments they were in shock when they started to realize what happened.
 
He went into a separate car and exited from that car. Those people had no idea what happened. People who witnessed the attack then helped police identify him and he was apprehended on the platform.

I don’t know specifically what the people nearest her did or didn’t do after the incident unfolded, but keep in mind, they didn’t get to assess the situation from the comfort of the internet. We on the internet can talk a big game, but we never truly know what we might do when we find ourselves in traumatic circumstances. There were probably moments where those people couldn’t wrap their heads around what was going on and moments they were in shock when they started to realize what happened.
I agree that people likely didn’t initially realize the severity of the attack. On the video, the person attacked isn’t heard screaming (her throat had been slit) and it seems like people began recognizing what had happened once blood is spilling out on the floor.
 
  • He went into a separate car and exited from that car. Those people had no idea what happened. People who witnessed the attack then helped police identify him and he was apprehended on the platform.

I don’t know specifically what the people nearest her did or didn’t do after the incident unfolded, but keep in mind, they didn’t get to assess the situation from the comfort of the internet. We on the internet can talk a big game, but we never truly know what we might do when we find ourselves in traumatic circumstances. There were probably moments where those people couldn’t wrap their heads around what was going on and moments they were in shock when they started to realize what happened.
There are many reasons eyewitnesses often (usually?) make unreliable witnesses.

A few big reasons:
  • They weren’t paying attention.
  • Especially today with cell phones distracting many (most?) of us; we likely haven’t a clue what is happening around us
  • In the case of a knife attack, shock and disbelief is going to be a common reaction……”Did I just see that? No way…..that guy didn’t just stab that woman.”
  • The reaction isn’t going to be “Walker, Texas Ranger” springing into action. It’s initially going to be shock and disbelief.
  • The reaction in the South isn’t going to differ from the reaction in NYC or Ohio or Kansas or California or Texas
 
Usually the deaths of pretty young woman draw lots of attention. This time..,not so much. Wonder why. My guess is the race of the
killer.

Where are all the libs with Ukrainian flags in their headers? No 5 months of riots or golden caskets?
America does get interested when there is a mystery or injustice.

We know who did it and he’s going to get charged for murder….what is the story that you expect to capture America here?
 
NY Times ran their first story on the Decarlos Brown situation:

A Gruesome Murder in North Carolina Ignites a Firestorm on the Right​


A Google search of NY Times and George Floyd (Minnesota) returned pages upon pages of results, as did a search for NY Times and Trayvon Martin (Florida). We’ll see how this story compares when all is said and done.
Trayvon’s killer was released and given his gun back that day.
 
I haven't seen that part of the video. That's good to hear and restores a bit of my faith in humanity. The two people nearest her, however, didn't do squat to help or assist. The killer also walks freely within the train as he heads to the exit door.

It has nothing to do with my relying on Fox news as I've been at the office all day without a tv.
So you ranted about it and didn’t watch the video?

Also, people at immediate personal risk will often disappoint you.
 
So you ranted about it and didn’t watch the video?

Also, people at immediate personal risk will often disappoint you.
I did watch the video and I witnessed the people’s inaction who were nearest her. I just haven’t seen an obviously longer video which shows people attempting to assist her minutes later.
 
THIS REQUIRES BETTER SOURCING



As I have noted here before, Visegrad is a far right anti-immigrant site that also has been a good source for news regarding the Ukraine war. As it happens, they have predictably been pushing the Charlotte murder story heavily.

But overall their posts about military events in Ukraine and Poland have been pretty reliable. Still, this would be a serious escalation if true, so hoping they are overstating whatever is actually happened. There have been a handful of Russian drones do damage in Poland to date, though all seem to have deniability baked in (guidance failure or such and most damage to farms and buildings, not people).
 
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