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sringwal said:
C’mon zen. You know that isn’t remotely comparable.
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Of course it is. If you were held on Alcatraz, tried to escape and died in the cold water, nobody "fed" you to the water. You made the decision to feed yourself to the water.

I'm not saying this is a wonderful idea, but guards will not be throwing detainees to the alligators. Anyone who is eaten will be eaten because of a decision they made.
 
ZenMode said:
Of course it is. If you were held on Alcatraz, tried to escape and died in the cold water, nobody "fed" you to the water. You made the decision to feed yourself to the water.

I'm not saying this is a wonderful idea, but guards will not be throwing detainees to the alligators. Anyone who is eaten will be eaten because of a decision they made.
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You should consider taking a break from the board for a while. This is really, really poor, even by your standards. There are undoubtedly going to be plenty of people who are incarcerated in that prison camp who are perfectly legal citizens, or who did nothing wrong. The fact that you think it’s amusing or that you would play semantics about whose fault it is that they are eaten by gators, says a whole lot about you as a human being, and it’s really, really bad.
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
🤷‍♂️

Classes are taught twice a week, in person.​
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Immigrants aged 18 and older who are interested in learning Portuguese free of charge can sign up for the project Portas Abertas – Português para Imigrantes (“Open Doors – Portuguese for Immigrants”), promoted by São Paulo’s city government.​
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The initiative is already underway in all regions of the city. The classes are taught in 11 municipal schools and immigrants can enroll at the school where they plan to study at any point of the semester, regardless of the status of their migration and documentation.​
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Divided into three modules—basic, intermediate, and advanced—the course has in-person classes twice a week, featuring its own learning material for each module and activities with discussions about fighting racism, sexism, and respect for gender diversity.​

Social inclusion​

“The teaching of the Portuguese language is among the main tools for welcoming immigrants, as it promotes inclusion and makes social life possible, along with the creation and maintenance of community ties. It is a way to promote civic participation and ensure access to public services,” said Bryan Rodas, coordinator of Policies for Immigrants and the Promotion of Decent Work from São Paulo's Secretariat of Human Rights and Citizenship.​
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The documents required for the enrollment are identification—issued in Brazil or in the country of origin—and proof of residence. If the student lacks the latter, they may fill out a declaration of residence. To obtain the certificate for a module, students must attend at least 75 percent of the classes of the semester. Classes in each module total 90 hours.​
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I'm giving Tangled the mic drop on Zen:LOL:
 
nycfan said:
“The Trump administration has declined to release nearly $7 billion in federal funding that helps pay for after-school and summer programs, support for students learning English, teacher training and other services.

The money was expected to be released by Tuesday. But in an email on Monday, the Education Department notified state education agencies that the money would not be available.

The administration offered little explanation, saying only that the funds were under review. It gave no timeline for when, or if, the money would be released, saying instead that it was “committed to ensuring taxpayer resources are spent in accordance with the president’s priorities.”

The frozen funds are unrelated to the millions of dollars in cuts included in the domestic policy bill that squeaked through the Senate on Tuesday.…”
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An attempt to push women out of the workforce and back home where they belong?
 
In one situation, the lions are the ones in cages and the human chose to go in there with them. In the other situation, it is about a person, or people, seeking freedom from being in potentially inhumane conditions. Which is why many illegal immigrants came to the United States in the first place.

Willingness to risk being eating by alligators because they are a better option than where you currently find yourself is not something America should strive for, even the American penal system.
 
sringwal said:
In one situation, the lions are the ones in cages and the human chose to go in there with them. In the other situation, it is about a person, or people, seeking freedom from being in potentially inhumane conditions. Which is why many illegal immigrants came to the United States in the first place.

Willingness to risk being eating by alligators because they are a better option than where you currently find yourself is not something America should strive for, even the American penal system.
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He understands that, fully and completely. He also understands that he can potentially inflame and annoy a lot of anonymous people with madeup usernames on the Internet by taking what is purposely the dumbest view imaginable on any given subject. I can’t speak for others, but speaking for myself, I only pity him- I’m not angry or antagonized in the slightest. Just feel pity and disappointment.
 
CFordUNC said:
You should consider taking a break from the board for a while. This is really, really poor, even by your standards. There are undoubtedly going to be plenty of people who are incarcerated in that prison camp who are perfectly legal citizens, or who did nothing wrong.
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A valid concern but separate issue from your claim that immigrants are going to be "fed" to alligators.
CFordUNC said:
The fact that you think it’s amusing or that you would play semantics about whose fault it is that they are eaten by gators, says a whole lot about you as a human being, and it’s really, really bad.
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Look, I enjoy a little sarcasm/hyperbole as much as the next guy, but come on.... no detainees will be fed to alligators and if it happens, someone needs to be arrested, charged and put in to prison for a very long time.
 
ZenMode said:
A valid concern but separate issue from your claim that immigrants are going to be "fed" to alligators.

Look, I enjoy a little sarcasm/hyperbole as much as the next guy, but come on.... no detainees will be fed to alligators and if it happens, someone needs to be arrested, charged and put in to prison for a very long time.
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Do yourself and us all a favor and stop being a dick, for once, can you? Just one time! Just once! It really will be OK, and you may even find that you like it!

The only reason to build a prison camp with alligators as a deterrent, is to……do what? Conduct ecological experiments? You very clearly understand that I am not saying that immigrants will be fed to alligators at suppertime. You very clearly understand that I am saying that there are going to be plenty of wrongfully detained people who are at that camp, in awful conditions, and who may conceivably encounter alligators if they should try to escape. You also very clearly understand that the President of the United States openly musing about human beings being eaten by alligators is grotesque. You understand all of that very clearly, because you are not a stupid person. You are just pretending to be one, at least on this message board, for reasons known only to you and God.

ETA: replacing the use of the word “cunt”. I am working hard to stop using that one as an insult.
 
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Impending pardon and the subsequent mealy mouth justifications from local maga and Good Germans (you know who you are).
 
ZenMode said:
My neighbor is Mormon and returned from his 2 year mission in Brazil a few months ago. Since he grew up in the US, in an English speaking family, he didn't speak a word of Portuguese.

Before he left on his mission, he did a multi-month, emersive course to learn Portuguese.

He didn't move to Brazil and expect Brazil to pay to teach him Portuguese.
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Wow, isn't that special.

And of no relevance to immigration policy.

Considering your neighbor wasn't fleeing a hostile environment and had the money to pay for the trip as well as the language course, this is a really poor comparison.
 
CFordUNC said:
You also very clearly understand that the President of the United States openly musing about human beings being eaten by alligators is grotesque.
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This is the crux. Whether or not anyone is actually eaten by alligators, the promotion and celebration of that possibility is beneath even the low bar that we hold Trump to (and I think it is unquestionably and by some margin the lowest bar set for any president). The cruelty is the point. It's a feature, not a bug. It's strongman stuff. It's got nothing to do with law enforcement. And anyone who tolerates it or chuckles about it or - god forbid - defends it, is contributing to the cause of cruelty and strongman politics. Pick your side.
 
ZenMode said:
A valid concern but separate issue from your claim that immigrants are going to be "fed" to alligators.

Look, I enjoy a little sarcasm/hyperbole as much as the next guy, but come on.... no detainees will be fed to alligators and if it happens, someone needs to be arrested, charged and put in to prison for a very long time.
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Right, and just look at trumps track record when people claim that what he said is hypocritical and will not happen.

I guarantee that if they do this someone is going to die because of it. Now will it be reported, maybe not. If reported will the administration spin it? YES.

if spun will the maga types like Zen buy in? 🤔
 
HeelInTheOzarks said:
So these children who didn’t make the choice to move to the USA with their parents should take it upon themselves to just figure it out outside of school?
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I'm all for states/school districts addressing the issue as they see fit. My wife works in a very small district, yet her teammate (one of only 2 first grade teachers) is bilingual, so Spanish speaking kids end up in her class.

If states/districts choose not to, then immersion is also very effective.
 
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