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CFordUNC said:
You should consider taking a break from the board for a while. This is really, really poor, even by your standards. There are undoubtedly going to be plenty of people who are incarcerated in that prison camp who are perfectly legal citizens, or who did nothing wrong. The fact that you think it’s amusing or that you would play semantics about whose fault it is that they are eaten by gators, says a whole lot about you as a human being, and it’s really, really bad.
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He's just a fucking troll.
 
ZenMode said:
I'm all for states/school districts addressing the issue as they see fit. My wife works in a very small district, yet her teammate (one of only 2 first grade teachers) is bilingual, so Spanish speaking kids end up in her class.

If states/districts choose not to, then immersion is also very effective.
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You are an for them addressing it, but the conversation started with your attempt to justify taking away the funding for it. Do I have that correct?
 
wmheel1287 said:
You are an for them addressing it, but the conversation started with your attempt to justify taking away the funding for it. Do I have that correct?
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Take away federal funding, yes.

I'd be fine with states saying "learn by doing" the way may people do when moved to a place where they don't speak the language.

Children learn new languages quickly.
 
ZenMode said:
My neighbor is Mormon and returned from his 2 year mission in Brazil a few months ago. Since he grew up in the US, in an English speaking family, he didn't speak a word of Portuguese.

Before he left on his mission, he did a multi-month, emersive course to learn Portuguese.

He didn't move to Brazil and expect Brazil to pay to teach him Portuguese.
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He was going on a mission, dipshit. He learned the language because it was vital to what he was doing -- which, incidentally, isn't really anything Brazil wants him to be doing but whatever, evangelizing ain't illegal. Anyway, the immersive course was surely paid for by the Mormon Church, probably structured by the Church, with everything proceeding in an organized manner.
 
I found more cuts that I'm in favor of the localities dealing with. Firefighters can also learn by doing. People learn really fast in the heat if the moment.




In Fiscal Year 2024, the federal government allocated substantial funding to support local fire departments across the United States through several key programs administered by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA):


🔥 Major Federal Grant Programs for Fire Departments​


  1. Assistance to Firefighters Grant (AFG) Program
    Allocated $291.6 million in FY 2024, this program provides funding for essential equipment, training, and facility upgrades to enhance the safety and effectiveness of fire departments.
  2. Fire Prevention and Safety (FP&S) Grants
    Approximately $32.4 million was designated for FP&S grants, focusing on fire prevention initiatives and research to improve firefighter safety.
  3. Staffing for Adequate Fire and Emergency Response (SAFER) Grants
    The SAFER program received $324 million in FY 2024 to assist fire departments in hiring and retaining frontline firefighters, ensuring adequate staffing levels for emergency response.

Combined, these programs provided over $648 million in federal funding to local fire departments in FY 2024. These grants are crucial for departments, especially in rural and underserved areas, to maintain and improve their operational capabilities.


Additionally, the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 allocated $350 billion in direct federal assistance to state and local governments, portions of which could be used to support fire and emergency medical services. iaff.org+1en.wikipedia.org+1


These funding streams underscore the federal government's commitment to bolstering the resources and readiness of local fire departments nationwide.
 
wmheel1287 said:
And how do you propose that localities fund such things?
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They can fund it however they'd like, if they choose to have such a program. Like I said, my wife's school hires some bilingual teachers. Immersion in a language is also a great way to learn because it forces kids to learn.

My wife's district has a policy that if a parent puts on the registration documentation that "a different language is spoken at home", that student is automatically put into a class with a teacher who is bilingual. A kindergarten teacher, who's son is also in kindergarten and speaks exclusively Spanish, intentionally did NOT list that Spanish is spoken at home because she wanted her son immersed in an English class.
wmheel1287 said:
Are you in favor of localities instituting income taxes? Raising property taxes? Money doesn't invent itself.
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That's up to the state/city/districts to figure out.
 
ZenMode said:
They can fund it however they'd like, if they choose to have such a program. Like I said, my wife's school hires some bilingual teachers. Immersion in a language is also a great way to learn because it forces kids to learn.

My wife's district has a policy that if a parent puts on the registration documentation that "a different language is spoken at home", that student is automatically put into a class with a teacher who is bilingual. A kindergarten teacher, who's son is also in kindergarten and speaks exclusively Spanish, intentionally did NOT list that Spanish is spoken at home because she wanted her son immersed in an English class.

That's up to the state/city/districts to figure out.
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Why do you assume that it can be covered by Spanish speaking teachers? Are there no other languages?
 
UNCatTech said:
Why do you assume that it can be covered by Spanish speaking teachers? Are there no other languages?
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I'm not saying it can, though children of most asylum seekers/parents who are here illegally are sure to be Spanish speaking. For other languages, states/cities/districts are welcome to address the issue as they see fit without the federal gov't spending $7 billion.

Those who aren't asylum seekers are 100% on their own to learn the language before coming here.
 
This story could be in several threads (immigration, LA immigration crackdown, economics, LA fires):

www.latimes.com

Altadena ICE raid highlights fears that roundups will stymie rebuilding efforts

Immigration raids are threatening to hinder the colossal undertaking to reconstruct the 13,000 homes that were wiped away in Altadena and Pacific Palisades on Jan. 7 — and exacerbate the housing crisis by stymieing new construction statewide.
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Altadena ICE raid highlights fears that roundups will stymie rebuilding efforts​


“When ICE agents raided the construction site of a burned property in Altadena this month, they made no arrests. The man they were after was not there. But the mere specter of them returning spooked the workers enough to bring the project to a temporary halt.

The next day, half of the 12-man team stayed home. The crew returned to full strength by the end of the week, but they now work in fear, according to Brock Harris, a real estate agent representing the developer of the property.

… A new report by the UCLA Anderson Forecast said that roundups could hamstring the colossal undertaking to reconstruct the 13,000 homes that were wiped away in Altadena and Pacific Palisades on Jan. 7 — and exacerbate the housing crisis by stymieing new construction statewide.…”
 
wmheel1287 said:
I found more cuts that I'm in favor of the localities dealing with. Firefighters can also learn by doing. People learn really fast in the heat if the moment.




In Fiscal Year 2024, the federal government allocated substantial funding to support local fire departments across the United States through several key programs administered by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA):


🔥 Major Federal Grant Programs for Fire Departments​


  1. Assistance to Firefighters Grant (AFG) Program
    Allocated $291.6 million in FY 2024, this program provides funding for essential equipment, training, and facility upgrades to enhance the safety and effectiveness of fire departments.
  2. Fire Prevention and Safety (FP&S) Grants
    Approximately $32.4 million was designated for FP&S grants, focusing on fire prevention initiatives and research to improve firefighter safety.
  3. Staffing for Adequate Fire and Emergency Response (SAFER) Grants
    The SAFER program received $324 million in FY 2024 to assist fire departments in hiring and retaining frontline firefighters, ensuring adequate staffing levels for emergency response.

Combined, these programs provided over $648 million in federal funding to local fire departments in FY 2024. These grants are crucial for departments, especially in rural and underserved areas, to maintain and improve their operational capabilities.


Additionally, the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 allocated $350 billion in direct federal assistance to state and local governments, portions of which could be used to support fire and emergency medical services. iaff.org+1en.wikipedia.org+1


These funding streams underscore the federal government's commitment to bolstering the resources and readiness of local fire departments nationwide.
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For too long big fire prevention has been stealing my tax dollars. I shouldn't have to pay to keep some farmer in Idaho from having his barn incinerated. Maybe use some of those boot straps I hear so much about to rig up a bucket pulley system from the cow pond and give me my money back, bitches.
 
altmin said:
For too long big fire prevention has been stealing my tax dollars. I shouldn't have to pay to keep some farmer in Idaho from having his barn incinerated. Maybe use some of those boot straps I hear so much about to rig up a bucket pulley system from the cow pond and give me my money back, bitches.
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I think you're being overly harsh. If it's important to the localities, they can find a way to fund it. I'm totally supportive of the training programs if they want to implement them.

Just cut the federal funding for it.
 
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