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Healing said:
Last summer a white man murdered an attractive (let’s be real, that always sensationalizes a story) young, black woman in Milwaukee. He then dismembered the corpse and spread the parts around town.

I learned about it this morning after a google search landed me on the website of a Milwaukee TV station. I wonder why Sinclair, Fox, Musk, Kirk, and Bannon were silent? Where was the opprobrium from our resident Nazis and Good Germans?
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Yeah, if that had been a black man doing that to a white woman, we would have a thread with 500 pages within a day.
Did I do that right?
 
ChileG said:
The Charlotte murder shouldn’t be national news at all. There is no question he killed her and nobody will disagree that what happened was absolutely homicide.
In the Penny case, the intrigue wasn’t because of race, but because of a whole host of other issues, including, “was this murder or self-defense?”
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Yeah, the only questions here are whether he will be deemed competent to proceed and, if so, whether he can get a very rare not guilty by reason of insanity verdict.
 
nycfan said:
I first read about the murder a couple of weeks ago because I follow a lot of (sometimes dodgy) pro-Ukraine accounts and the murder of a Ukrainian refugee in the USA popped up — caught my eye b/c it was in Charlotte. Politically, I thought it might be used to draw attention to the Trump Administration decision not to extend TPS for Ukrainian refugees, which it was a little but then sputtered out (at least in my curated feed) so I frankly forgot about it before Labor Day.

Then on Friday, a lot of extremely dodgy right wing accounts bubbled up about it — I had not focused on the perpetrator originally, and so when it seemed to explode into coverage, I thought we might have a murder by an undocumented immigrant. But turned out he was a black American and the focus was decidedly racial — a lot of accounts that post a lot of vile anti-immigrant content were suddenly my very concerned about an immigrant being murdered.

I think Musk first posted about it on Friday night, which exploded the story from a local and neonazi story to an international one. A lot of right wing accounts in Europe that are extremely anti-immigrant were suddenly covering it.

I watched it with some disgust and considered posting one in particular that framed her coverage of the story as “racism saves lives” but I decided that was too unnecessarily provocative to post here since the source was so decidedly fringe, even though she was generating a lot of support. But it was spreading like wildfire due to the graphic and genuinely horrifying nature of the completely random and unprovoked attack depicted in a widely available video and the racial politics.

In any event, anyone could start a separate thread about this story at any time.

To me, the story first and foremost is a horrible tragedy for the victim, regardless of her immigration status, but also another story of a Ukrainian family coming to North Carolina to escape the war and finding tragedy here instead (a Ukrainian refugee family was killed during Hurricane Helene last year).

But it is also about figuring out how to handle mentally ill people. The perpetrator here is an ex-con who is diagnosed schizophrenic and living in a homeless shelter. His most recent arrest for misusing 911 was because he called and claimed foreign materials in his body were making him do things — classic schizophrenic behavior. He was almost certainly charged at all because of his criminal history and to get him in the system for mental health evaluation— he was released pending that evaluation which the court required but in our current shortage of psychological support personnel, couldn’t be done immediately (or even reasonably soon). Should he have been Involuntarily committed pending evaluation somewhere? If so where and for how long?

I worked a summer at Manhattan Psych, including working the schizophrenia and prison psych wards, and have a lot of thoughts about the mental illness angle (but no answers that don’t involve a massive investment voters seem u willing to make), so if someone wanted to start that thread, I would probably post a lot.

I think the racial politics pollutes the whole thing and race is the least relevant aspect here, but happy to flesh out the statistics of the relative rarity of this sort of crime and the history of even alleged black male threats against white women as a tool of white supremacy, which I do think has made some MSM shy away from coverage. That history certainly made me hesitate to introduce the story here when I could have done so to focus on the tragedy of it, the Ukrainian TPS angle and eventually, once it was widely reported, the mental health problem.
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"Racism saves lives."

Ramrouser - there are no "what abouts" that statement. No matter how horrific this particular act was. And it was a horrific act, but no matter how horrific the act was, if you support the statement above than yeah, you are a racist.

Point blank.

Now, you may will be fully comfortable with the tag, and you may not feel that at all, but this is one of those moments where you get to decide, at least for you, where the chips are going to fall.

At a national level, going down that path will lead to a great deal of blood. We are on the precipice. "By the pricking of my thumbs, Something wicked this way comes."
 
sringwal said:
"Racism saves lives."

Ramrouser - there are no "what abouts" that statement. No matter how horrific this particular act was. And it was a horrific act, but no matter how horrific the act was, if you support the statement above than yeah, you are a racist.

Point blank.

Now, you may will be fully comfortable with the tag, and you may not feel that at all, but this is one of those moments where you get to decide, at least for you, where the chips are going to fall.

At a national level, going down that path will lead to a great deal of blood. We are on the precipice. "By the pricking of my thumbs, Something wicked this way comes."
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Do we really think that ramrouser isn't a racist?

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SnoopRob said:
Do we really think that ramrouser isn't a racist?

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As I said, we are at a critical junction in society. We have been focusing here, primarily on the legal impact of Trump's president, but the winds are shifting - have been shifting for quite some time - but are now shifting towards some extremely powerful and terrifying rhetoric. The onus is on each of us - not just ramrouser, to really think about the effect of the statements in NYCfan's post above.
 
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