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sringwal said:
"Racism saves lives."

Ramrouser - there are no "what abouts" that statement. No matter how horrific this particular act was. And it was a horrific act, but no matter how horrific the act was, if you support the statement above than yeah, you are a racist.

Point blank.

Now, you may will be fully comfortable with the tag, and you may not feel that at all, but this is one of those moments where you get to decide, at least for you, where the chips are going to fall.

At a national level, going down that path will lead to a great deal of blood. We are on the precipice. "By the pricking of my thumbs, Something wicked this way comes."
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I wasn't endorsing the statement you quoted. I don't support the statement that Racism saves lives. I was merely quoting what the killer said on the train after he butchered the girl. Go view the entire video. What saddens me is that no one of the train did ONE THING to assist her or to help her in any way. I expected more from southerners. Wish there had been a Marine on the train.
 
LeoBloom said:
It all makes sense now. We must get rid of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, and replace it with Discrimination, Exclusion, and Intolerance.

In a seriousness, this is the America we live in now? Or, I guess this has always been the America we live in.
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It was only 61 years ago that the US passed the Civil Rights Act and, even with that legislation, it's not like there weren't a whole lot of folks who never agreed with it and who never actually accepted it within their worldview even if they had to recognize it as law. That's especially true in the rural and exurban areas where MAGA is most prevalent. For a lot of folks, they've long held these views and the world seemingly moved on from them, only now they've created an opportunity to push back on a grand scale against inclusivity and acceptance.
 
SnoopRob said:
It was only 61 years ago that the US passed the Civil Rights Act and, even with that legislation, it's not like there weren't a whole lot of folks who never agreed with it and who never actually accepted it within their worldview even if they had to recognize it as law. That's especially true in the rural and exurban areas where MAGA is most prevalent. For a lot of folks, they've long held these views and the world seemingly moved on from them, only now they've created an opportunity to push back on a grand scale against inclusivity and acceptance.
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On a cloudy, frigid day in December 1958, a small group of wealthy businessmen met in Indianapolis and formed a new organization. They called it the John Birch Society. Their mission was to educate the American people about the communist conspiracy that they believed was infiltrating the United States.

"The founder, Robert Welch, conveyed a deep sense of grievance and anger," says Matthew Dallek, professor of political management at George Washington University and author of Birchers: How the John Birch Society Radicalized the American Right. "The message was very powerful: you're losing your country to traitors, and they're not just any traitors, they're actually traitors within."

… convinced that the United Nations was a threat to U.S. sovereignty and in 1960, he joined the John Birch Society.

The sisters were taught that both Martin Luther King Jr. and Fred Rogers were communists. "Our father had a kind of paranoia," Meehan said. "He had this feeling that there are a lot of enemies out there."

Society meetings covered a wide range of topics. They argued that fluoridation of water was ushering in socialized medicine; that the Civil Rights Movement was a plot directed by the Kremlin; and that Chief Justice Earl Warren should be impeached.

The society lambasted many of the Warren court's decisions: protecting First Amendment rights for communists; banning school prayer in public schools; and paving the way for desegregation with its ruling in Brown v. Board of Education.”


Same shit now, just more organized and with bigger guns.
 
Ramrouser said:
I wasn't endorsing the statement you quoted. I don't support the statement that Racism saves lives. I was merely quoting what the killer said on the train after he butchered the girl. Go view the entire video. What saddens me is that no one of the train did ONE THING to assist her or to help her in any way. I expected more from southerners. Wish there had been a Marine on the train.
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What in the world are you talking about? The video clearly shows multiple people coming to her aid when they realized what was happening.
 
Ramrouser said:
I wasn't endorsing the statement you quoted. I don't support the statement that Racism saves lives. I was merely quoting what the killer said on the train after he butchered the girl. Go view the entire video. What saddens me is that no one of the train did ONE THING to assist her or to help her in any way. I expected more from southerners. Wish there had been a Marine on the train.
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Sort of off topic, and I’m not agreeing that southerners are likely to be more helpful than non-southernors, but if you find yourself among a group of people in most parts of Charlotte, it’s more likely that most of the are not southerners than it is that they are.
 
There was a video from another place in NC a few years back. Pregnant white woman stopped at a gas station in a rough area. Was robbed by some black teenagers. When she refused to give up her car keys, they shot her 6 times. She survived, but her baby didn’t. Anyways, in that video no one helped her either.
 
Didn't see that in the videos I've viewed. I saw everyone pretty much ignoring the situation. The guy behind her (who was sitting across the aisle of the killer) simply gets up, glances at her, and walks past her immediately after she was attacked. The lady in red beside her simply turns away from her. I'll take your word that some people later came to her aid because watching the videos is starting to wear on me.
 
Ramrouser said:
Didn't see that in the videos I've viewed. I saw everyone pretty much ignoring the situation. The guy behind her (who was sitting across the aisle of the killer) simply gets up, glances at her, and walks past her immediately after she was attacked. The lady in red beside her simply turns away from her. I'll take your word that some people later came to her aid because watching the videos is starting to wear on me.
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Yes, they did try to assist her:

“A man ran to tell the light rail operator what happened and to stop.
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Heroic passengers rushed to Zarutska’s aid.

One man took his shirt off to dress the wound and attempted CPR.”

—From This website is unavailable in your location. – WSOC TV
 
Healing said:

On a cloudy, frigid day in December 1958, a small group of wealthy businessmen met in Indianapolis and formed a new organization. They called it the John Birch Society. Their mission was to educate the American people about the communist conspiracy that they believed was infiltrating the United States.

"The founder, Robert Welch, conveyed a deep sense of grievance and anger," says Matthew Dallek, professor of political management at George Washington University and author of Birchers: How the John Birch Society Radicalized the American Right. "The message was very powerful: you're losing your country to traitors, and they're not just any traitors, they're actually traitors within."

… convinced that the United Nations was a threat to U.S. sovereignty and in 1960, he joined the John Birch Society.

The sisters were taught that both Martin Luther King Jr. and Fred Rogers were communists. "Our father had a kind of paranoia," Meehan said. "He had this feeling that there are a lot of enemies out there."

Society meetings covered a wide range of topics. They argued that fluoridation of water was ushering in socialized medicine; that the Civil Rights Movement was a plot directed by the Kremlin; and that Chief Justice Earl Warren should be impeached.

The society lambasted many of the Warren court's decisions: protecting First Amendment rights for communists; banning school prayer in public schools; and paving the way for desegregation with its ruling in Brown v. Board of Education.”


Same shit now, just more organized and with bigger guns.
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Unfortunately, that asshole is a UNC graduate.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Yes, they did try to assist her:

“A man ran to tell the light rail operator what happened and to stop.
….
Heroic passengers rushed to Zarutska’s aid.

One man took his shirt off to dress the wound and attempted CPR.”

—From This website is unavailable in your location. – WSOC TV
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I haven't seen that part of the video. That's good to hear and restores a bit of my faith in humanity. The two people nearest her, however, didn't do squat to help or assist. The killer also walks freely within the train as he heads to the exit door.

It has nothing to do with my relying on Fox news as I've been at the office all day without a tv.
 


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Why a Princeton graduate student kidnapped in Iraq still isn’t free 800 days later

With the world’s attention fixed on efforts to free Israeli hostages held by Hamas in Gaza, talks are quietly continuing to liberate a Princeton scholar and Israeli hostage held in Iraq by a different Iranian-backed militant group.
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“… Relatives of Tsurkov — who holds Israeli and Russian citizenship — are trying to remain optimistic.

… [in May at the time of this story] Negotiators are focusing on an exchange that would include seven Lebanese captured during the latest war between Israel and Hezbollah.

… Although Tsurkov entered Iraq using her Russian passport, Russia has declined to get involved in negotiating for her release, Emma Tsurkov said.

… Also involved in a possible exchange are five men in prison in Iraq for the 2022 fatal shooting of Stephen Edward Troell, a 45-year-old teacher from Tennessee. Troell was killed as he pulled up to the street where he lived in central Baghdad with his family.…”
 
Ramrouser said:
I haven't seen that part of the video. That's good to hear and restores a bit of my faith in humanity. The two people nearest her, however, didn't do squat to help or assist. The killer also walks freely within the train as he heads to the exit door.

It has nothing to do with my relying on Fox news as I've been at the office all day without a tv.
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He went into a separate car and exited from that car. Those people had no idea what happened. People who witnessed the attack then helped police identify him and he was apprehended on the platform.

I don’t know specifically what the people nearest her did or didn’t do after the incident unfolded, but keep in mind, they didn’t get to assess the situation from the comfort of the internet. We on the internet can talk a big game, but we never truly know what we might do when we find ourselves in traumatic circumstances. There were probably moments where those people couldn’t wrap their heads around what was going on and moments they were in shock when they started to realize what happened.
 
Icky Mettle said:
He went into a separate car and exited from that car. Those people had no idea what happened. People who witnessed the attack then helped police identify him and he was apprehended on the platform.

I don’t know specifically what the people nearest her did or didn’t do after the incident unfolded, but keep in mind, they didn’t get to assess the situation from the comfort of the internet. We on the internet can talk a big game, but we never truly know what we might do when we find ourselves in traumatic circumstances. There were probably moments where those people couldn’t wrap their heads around what was going on and moments they were in shock when they started to realize what happened.
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I agree that people likely didn’t initially realize the severity of the attack. On the video, the person attacked isn’t heard screaming (her throat had been slit) and it seems like people began recognizing what had happened once blood is spilling out on the floor.
 
Icky Mettle said:
  • He went into a separate car and exited from that car. Those people had no idea what happened. People who witnessed the attack then helped police identify him and he was apprehended on the platform.

I don’t know specifically what the people nearest her did or didn’t do after the incident unfolded, but keep in mind, they didn’t get to assess the situation from the comfort of the internet. We on the internet can talk a big game, but we never truly know what we might do when we find ourselves in traumatic circumstances. There were probably moments where those people couldn’t wrap their heads around what was going on and moments they were in shock when they started to realize what happened.
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There are many reasons eyewitnesses often (usually?) make unreliable witnesses.

A few big reasons:
  • They weren’t paying attention.
  • Especially today with cell phones distracting many (most?) of us; we likely haven’t a clue what is happening around us
  • In the case of a knife attack, shock and disbelief is going to be a common reaction……”Did I just see that? No way…..that guy didn’t just stab that woman.”
  • The reaction isn’t going to be “Walker, Texas Ranger” springing into action. It’s initially going to be shock and disbelief.
  • The reaction in the South isn’t going to differ from the reaction in NYC or Ohio or Kansas or California or Texas
 
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