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finesse said:
What insight into either anthropology or history does it give? It's a collection of myths and exaggerations that have almost no substantiating evidence. There's no evidence supporting a captivity in Egypt or an Exodus or a covenant concerning a Promised Land. There's no evidence of Moses , we know the Creation story is bunkum and that the whole Christian story was corrupted by Paul and coopted by white people. And, fwiw, if the stories in the Gospels are to be believed ( a dubious idea at best) while Jesus might have attested to the validity of the OT, no one of any comparable standing has or can attest to the validity of either the NT or of the process by which it was compiled.
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Don't really want to get into a deep discussion of this but, like most ancient texts, the Bible tells us a great deal about the people who were responsible for creating it and their attempts to understand the world around them. Those questions are pretty much at the core of historical anthropology. Legitimate anthropologists and historians know not to read the Bible (or any other ancient texts) as literal historical accounts, and even the elements that do give us some insight into history (such as the Babylonian conquest of the Levant, which indisputably did happen) must be read through the lens of what the writers were trying to achieve. But it seems to me to be a pretty extreme view to say that ancient texts should not inform our civic and democratic education just because they're not historically reliable. They tell us a lot about the history of humankind, and that's important for us to understand.
 
Those "ancient" texts were not compiled until the Babylonian captivity which is pretty much where they stumbled on the whole lawgiver element. The Code of Hammurabi is just the most famous of many legal codes from there and the OT borrowed very heavily from many of the concepts in putting the stories together. I doubt if there is much that rises above the level of folktales. Anthropological evidence doesn't provide much support for anything that the Bible say and if any time period and place has ever been more thoroughly searched and studied, I'd love to know when and where. The damned science was virtually invented for that purpose.
 
finesse said:
Those "ancient" texts were not compiled until the Babylonian captivity which is pretty much where they stumbled on the whole lawgiver element. The Code of Hammurabi is just the most famous of many legal codes from there and the OT borrowed very heavily from many of the concepts in putting the stories together. I doubt if there is much that rises above the level of folktales. Anthropological evidence doesn't provide much support for anything that the Bible say and if any time period and place has ever been more thoroughly searched and studied, I'd love to know when and where. The damned science was virtually invented for that purpose.
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You and I probably end up at the same conclusion...that the Bible has little to no place in primary or secondary public education...but we take different routes. I disagree that there is not significant importance to be found in the Bible, but I also believe that of other religious texts such as the Qur'an. I think this is true because so much of civilization as we know it today has been shaped by these books in one way or another. However, I think that a reasonable discussion of these topics with comparisons and discourse is not possible in any elementary/primary settings and exceptionally unlikely in most secondary/high school settings. Therefore, I think such topics should be left to higher education at least for now. Honestly, too many people would be too dug in to having the texts taught as dogma rather than as historical documents for me to believe they have a place in public education right now.

Even fiction serves to shape civilization and we teach historical fiction for that very reason. The issue, to me, with religious texts is not that they are factual nor that they are fiction. The issue with them in most classrooms is the visceral and unavoidable disagreement as to which category they fall.
 
Ramrouser said:
Who else is in the running this year for the Peace prize? Should be a no brainer.
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If they nominate him it will not be because he deserves it, it will be in the same transactional light as Paramount caving to the trump extortion to save their merger.
 
wmheel1287 said:
You and I probably end up at the same conclusion...that the Bible has little to no place in primary or secondary public education...but we take different routes. I disagree that there is not significant importance to be found in the Bible, but I also believe that of other religious texts such as the Qur'an. I think this is true because so much of civilization as we know it today has been shaped by these books in one way or another. However, I think that a reasonable discussion of these topics with comparisons and discourse is not possible in any elementary/primary settings and exceptionally unlikely in most secondary/high school settings. Therefore, I think such topics should be left to higher education at least for now. Honestly, too many people would be too dug in to having the texts taught as dogma rather than as historical documents for me to believe they have a place in public education right now.

Even fiction serves to shape civilization and we teach historical fiction for that very reason. The issue, to me, with religious texts is not that they are factual nor that they are fiction. The issue with them in most classrooms is the visceral and unavoidable disagreement as to which category they fall.
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Maybe we should discuss the problems created by how these shaped civilization?
 
Healing said:
As I’ve said multiple times, they’ll federalize elections and just outright rig them. They have intention to make the GQP the permanent power party, because that’s what fascists do. It’s already getting clearer and clearer they’re preparing for a violent overthrow of the entire system of institutions, including elections.

Fascists have always disappeared political opponents and held kabuki elections. This Texas gambit is a huge leap towards that becoming the norm. IMO, they’ll federalize elections, arrest elected dems, and the violent schism will become unavoidable.
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And MAGA will cheer it on all the way.
 
wmheel1287 said:
You and I probably end up at the same conclusion...that the Bible has little to no place in primary or secondary public education...but we take different routes. I disagree that there is not significant importance to be found in the Bible, but I also believe that of other religious texts such as the Qur'an. I think this is true because so much of civilization as we know it today has been shaped by these books in one way or another. However, I think that a reasonable discussion of these topics with comparisons and discourse is not possible in any elementary/primary settings and exceptionally unlikely in most secondary/high school settings. Therefore, I think such topics should be left to higher education at least for now. Honestly, too many people would be too dug in to having the texts taught as dogma rather than as historical documents for me to believe they have a place in public education right now.

Even fiction serves to shape civilization and we teach historical fiction for that very reason. The issue, to me, with religious texts is not that they are factual nor that they are fiction. The issue with them in most classrooms is the visceral and unavoidable disagreement as to which category they fall.
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Yeah, I agree with that completely. I was only responding to finesse's comment that seemed a little too absolutist to me, but that's neither a topic for this thread nor one that we're likely to make much progress on. So I'll sing a little louder in the anti-Ryan Walters chorus and leave the rest of it alone.
 


Flying Sci-Fi GIF by Feliks Tomasz Konczakowski

“… Gabbard, who oversees 18 U.S. intelligence agencies, was asked whether “there could be aliens” on the New York Post podcast “Pod Force One.” “I have my own views and opinions,” she said. “In this role, I have to be careful with what I share.”

… In the recorded interview, she is heard saying that she wasn’t “prepared to talk about” the details—but insisted her office would “be transparent with the public when the time comes.”

… While Gabbard declined to elaborate on any classified intel, she suggested that she still had unanswered questions about the mysterious dronesspotted buzzing over neighborhoods in New Jersey last year.…”

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nycfan said:


Flying Sci-Fi GIF by Feliks Tomasz Konczakowski

“… Gabbard, who oversees 18 U.S. intelligence agencies, was asked whether “there could be aliens” on the New York Post podcast “Pod Force One.” “I have my own views and opinions,” she said. “In this role, I have to be careful with what I share.”

… In the recorded interview, she is heard saying that she wasn’t “prepared to talk about” the details—but insisted her office would “be transparent with the public when the time comes.”

… While Gabbard declined to elaborate on any classified intel, she suggested that she still had unanswered questions about the mysterious dronesspotted buzzing over neighborhoods in New Jersey last year.…”

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dropping read meat to the conspiracy theorists to get them off Epstein.
 
heelinhell said:
California, New York, and Illinois say, Hold our beers !!!
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Not so fast...

California 43D/9R
Illinois 14D/3R
NY 19D/7R

No room for Illinois to gerrymander as the state is already fully gerrymandered for the Dems.

In NY, Dems could eliminate Mike Lawler from NY-17 but they can't knock off NY-1 without jeopardizing two adjacent Dem districts as the margins are too small.

California has major roadblocks. California voters, through Prop 11 and 20, gave the power of redistricting to the California Citizens Redistricting CCR, thus only the CCR has the authority to redistrict the the state. Newsom has floated a proposal to compel the legislature to propose a special measure (requiring 2/3 majority vote) to avoid the standard CCR process. He's working on a tight schedule and faces a steep challenge (legislative and judicial) for this to succeed.
 
nycfan said:


Flying Sci-Fi GIF by Feliks Tomasz Konczakowski

“… Gabbard, who oversees 18 U.S. intelligence agencies, was asked whether “there could be aliens” on the New York Post podcast “Pod Force One.” “I have my own views and opinions,” she said. “In this role, I have to be careful with what I share.”

… In the recorded interview, she is heard saying that she wasn’t “prepared to talk about” the details—but insisted her office would “be transparent with the public when the time comes.”

… While Gabbard declined to elaborate on any classified intel, she suggested that she still had unanswered questions about the mysterious dronesspotted buzzing over neighborhoods in New Jersey last year.…”

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Release the Area 51 tapes!
 

I'm the governor of New York. Texas redistricting is a 'legal insurrection.' | Opinion​


"Up until now, Democrats have treated our political system like it’s still governed by norms, guarded by limits and rooted in fairness. Rules were meant to be followed. It hurts to say it, but that era has come to an end.

... At President Trump’s direction, Texas state House Republicans are attempting to redraw their congressional maps mid-decade, an aggressive power grab designed to flip as many as five current Democratic seats. They’ve carved up diverse communities in Houston, Dallas and along the border to silence the voters who live there.

... What Texas is doing isn't a clever strategy, it’s political arson — torching our democracy to cling to power. The only viable recourse is to fight fire with fire. ..."
 
nycfan said:
Trump posts/amplifies a video about teachers from blue states have to pass an America First test in order to teach in Oklahoma.



Republicans to Roll Out ‘America First’ Test For Teachers Arriving From Blue States​


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Oklahoma to Roll Out 'America First' Test for New Teachers

The state's Superintendent, Ryan Walters, says the test will ensure teachers arriving in Oklahoma align with its values.
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“…"One of the things that we wanted to do is, first of all, make sure that they're great teachers, right? And No. 2, make sure we're not getting these woke, indoctrinating social justice warriors in the classroom," the state’s Superintendent Ryan Walters said in an interview with Fox Digital.

Walters said that every teacher moving to work in Oklahoma must pass the test in order to begin teaching, and that Conservative think-tank PragerU will assist in the development of the test.

“We put the Bible back in our history standards," Walters said, adding that the ‘America First’ test would include questions based on American history and “common sense.”

Walters said the teaching of gender identity in other states was one motivation for the test, which will roll out in time for the upcoming school year. “We started seeing states like California, New York, Maine as well, that are putting out directives… saying ‘In this state you’ve got to teach your 27 genders’,” he said.…”

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Look out, Alabama and Arizona, Oklahoma has its eye on your spots.

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Somebody put me in a room with Ryan Walters that doesn’t have windows.
 
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