DEI and Misogynistic & Foreign/Other Political Attacks on Harris

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Of course she was appointed for her gender and race. He said he was going to do that. The issue is making an assumption or "wondering" if her gender and race were her only qualifications. It sort of goes without saying that among the qualified candidates, you know, people who had impeccable resumes and had distinguished themselves as judges at the appellate or district level for years, he was going to select a black woman from among that group.

In the entire history of our country, there has never been a black female Supreme Court justice. Why does making sure that demographic is finally represented after 250 years piss so many people off? Obviously she met all the other qualifications.

Just compare her resume to Amy Coney Barrett who was nominated to the Supreme Court for a single reason, her ardent opposition to abortion. Did any Republicans "wonder" if she was the most qualified of any potential nominees? Trump outsourced his Court nominations to Leonard Leo but the black woman is the one people "wonder" about.
I don't care about her gender or race.

The point is, DEI and Affirmative Action "say" the same thing that Biden said out loud which, in the case of universities, means things like skin color, nationality, income will be used to INCLUDE people and EXCLUDE people and to be labeled a racist and misogynist for pointing out what we all know to be the case, is ridiculous.
 
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I don't care about her gender or race.

The point is, DEI and Affirmative Action "say" the same thing that Biden said out loud, which, in the case of universities, means things like skin color, nationality, income will be used to INCLUDE people and EXCLUDE people and to be labeled a racist and misogynist for pointing out what we all know to be the case, is ridiculous.
Diversity is now exclusion. Lol.
 
I'm not looking to debate affirmative action or DEI. I think there are valid arguments on both sides.

And yes, I can wonder anything that I want, but I think The reaction to that wondering, even though it makes perfect sense, comes with social consequences And it's not only on this forum or the previous ZZL political forum.
Once again you center yourself in this discussion, as if the "social consequences" to you are relevant to the discussion.

It's like this: you can't make people like you by whining about the unfairness of them not liking you. It doesn't even matter whether or not you are "right" in some abstract sense, if your righteousness is off-putting. I speak from experience. Now, if you're sure that you're correct, you'd be fully justified in saying, "fuck all y'all, I'm tired of this shit" and going to post elsewhere. I do that from time to time. I had a colleague who went full MAGA. I stopped caring what he thought about me.

It's also like this: people don't have infinite time. We come across more people in our lives than we have time to fully assess. Message boards only exacerbate that problem. So we use shortcuts -- one of which is our past experience with other people who present similarly to the person in question. Our past experience with people who whine about DEI is that they are bitter, crusty and pretty selfish (and self-focused). Maybe you could think a little bit about why the DEI whiners come across that way, but more importantly, it's your job to differentiate yourself from them. If you aren't bitter, crusty and selfish, then you need to show us how. Expecting everyone to judge you anew without reference to their personal experience is a good ticket to frustration and foolishness.

I'm anticipating your reply: isn't this stereotyping? Not really, no. Stereotyping is when you impute a characteristic to a person based on another, unrelated characteristic. Like work ethic and skin color. Or criminality and skin color. Or pretty much anything and skin color. But even if it is stereotyping, it's not objectionable in the way that race or gender stereotypes are, because of this simple fact: YOUR EXPRESSED OPINIONS ARE WITHIN YOUR CONTROL. Skin color and parentage is not. It's also less objectionable because the inferences we are making aren't really intertwined with the pseudo-scientific bullshit that has long been a foundation of racism. These are judgments being made based on people's actions or words, not on some weird theories about the shape of heads.

The reality is that wearing a MAGA hat in public is a choice. It is a choice with predictable consequences: people who loathe MAGA aren't going to have a great impression of you. As with most choices, you are showing the world who you are. There's no moral, natural or statutory law requiring other people to like the person you put on display. If you post the same shit about DEI that we've seen countless times from assholes, then you should expect to get a similar reaction unless you do something to differentiate yourself. And again, if that MAGA hat is important to you, then why are you hanging out with us? Say fuck all y'all and go hang out with other MAGAs.

At a minimum, stop whining. I mean, seriously. There was a time in this country when some people were excluded from various institutions, types of public participation and even education based on their skin color or gender. Some of that still goes on, in the white country clubs or coop boards who are open to admitting minorities if they get "the right applicant." You are not being excluded. You are fully welcome to speak your mind. You can participate just like the rest of us. And like the rest of us, you might or might not be liked based on the opinions you express. Get over yourself and grow up.
 

Our "news media" is increasingly either owned outright by right-wingers (including formerly centrist or even liberal outlets like Politico), or has been cowed by ratings and threats from right wingers into becoming relentlessly bosiding organizations like The NY Times. As I have posted here before, the legacy news media in this country increasingly leans to the right and/or has less and less interest in giving straight, professional news stories, and they seem to either openly wish for a Trump victory or do not seem to be bothered by such a prospect at all, despite claiming in some cases to be promoting democracy, as with the WaPo's increasingly ironic warning "democracy dies in darkness." Our news media has been broken for a good while, it's just that it's now become so prevalent that more and more people are seeing it and calling it out. Not that they seem to care.
 
Our "news media" is increasingly either owned outright by right-wingers (including formerly centrist or even liberal outlets like Politico), or has been cowed by ratings and threats from right wingers into becoming relentlessly bosiding organizations like The NY Times. As I have posted here before, the legacy news media in this country increasingly leans to the right and/or has less and less interest in giving straight, professional news stories, and they seem to either openly wish for a Trump victory or do not seem to be bothered by such a prospect at all, despite claiming in some cases to be promoting democracy, as with the WaPo's increasingly ironic warning "democracy dies in darkness." Our news media has been broken for a good while, it's just that it's now become so prevalent that more and more people are seeing it and calling it out. Not that they seem to care.
I don't even know where to look anymore for decent news
 
Thanks for proving my point.

So, when Biden says "I'm going to appoint a black female to SCOTUS" I'm a racist/misogynist for wondering if the black female was appointed because of her gender and race?
So, if Biden says: I'm going to appoint a while male to SCOTUS., would you ask the same question? If not, why not?
 
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I don't care about her gender or race.

The point is, DEI and Affirmative Action "say" the same thing that Biden said out loud which, in the case of universities, means things like skin color, nationality, income will be used to INCLUDE people and EXCLUDE people and to be labeled a racist and misogynist for pointing out what we all know to be the case, is ridiculous.
Do you really believe that all DEI programs do that?

Do you consider the situation? If a DEI lead at a college that it 98% white male says that they want to include more minorities and women, do you not see how the context is the driver for that?

As you've agreed to before, affirmative action was driven by the fact that when left to their own accord there was little to no change, and everyone wasn't getting a fair shot at admissions as well as other things.
 
Once again you center yourself in this discussion, as if the "social consequences" to you are relevant to the discussion.

It's like this: you can't make people like you by whining about the unfairness of them not liking you. It doesn't even matter whether or not you are "right" in some abstract sense, if your righteousness is off-putting. I speak from experience. Now, if you're sure that you're correct, you'd be fully justified in saying, "fuck all y'all, I'm tired of this shit" and going to post elsewhere. I do that from time to time. I had a colleague who went full MAGA. I stopped caring what he thought about me.

It's also like this: people don't have infinite time. We come across more people in our lives than we have time to fully assess. Message boards only exacerbate that problem. So we use shortcuts -- one of which is our past experience with other people who present similarly to the person in question. Our past experience with people who whine about DEI is that they are bitter, crusty and pretty selfish (and self-focused). Maybe you could think a little bit about why the DEI whiners come across that way, but more importantly, it's your job to differentiate yourself from them. If you aren't bitter, crusty and selfish, then you need to show us how. Expecting everyone to judge you anew without reference to their personal experience is a good ticket to frustration and foolishness.

I'm anticipating your reply: isn't this stereotyping? Not really, no. Stereotyping is when you impute a characteristic to a person based on another, unrelated characteristic. Like work ethic and skin color. Or criminality and skin color. Or pretty much anything and skin color. But even if it is stereotyping, it's not objectionable in the way that race or gender stereotypes are, because of this simple fact: YOUR EXPRESSED OPINIONS ARE WITHIN YOUR CONTROL. Skin color and parentage is not. It's also less objectionable because the inferences we are making aren't really intertwined with the pseudo-scientific bullshit that has long been a foundation of racism. These are judgments being made based on people's actions or words, not on some weird theories about the shape of heads.

The reality is that wearing a MAGA hat in public is a choice. It is a choice with predictable consequences: people who loathe MAGA aren't going to have a great impression of you. As with most choices, you are showing the world who you are. There's no moral, natural or statutory law requiring other people to like the person you put on display. If you post the same shit about DEI that we've seen countless times from assholes, then you should expect to get a similar reaction unless you do something to differentiate yourself. And again, if that MAGA hat is important to you, then why are you hanging out with us? Say fuck all y'all and go hang out with other MAGAs.

At a minimum, stop whining. I mean, seriously. There was a time in this country when some people were excluded from various institutions, types of public participation and even education based on their skin color or gender. Some of that still goes on, in the white country clubs or coop boards who are open to admitting minorities if they get "the right applicant." You are not being excluded. You are fully welcome to speak your mind. You can participate just like the rest of us. And like the rest of us, you might or might not be liked based on the opinions you express. Get over yourself and grow up.
This isn't about me or you or any other individual. You mean nothing to me. You are a name on a screen. Your opinion of me means nothing to me.

This is about intellectual honesty vs intellectual dishonesty. This is about acknowledging what we ALL know is true - DEI and Affirmative Action are going to raise questions in peoples' minds about why a POC (just not Asian) got into MIT or some other elite college, It's being able to acknowledge that an AA admission may have taken the spot of another student. It's being able to acknowledge those things while still defending DEI/AA without circling the wagons and attack those who are saying what we all know to be true.
 
So, if Biden says: I'm going to appoint a while male to SCOTUS., would you ask the same question? If not, why not?
Yes. I would prefer that people are chosen on criteria that matter, not superficial criteria that we are born with and have no control over, like gender and skin color.
 
I don't even know where to look anymore for decent news
Try finding a few journalists you trust and see if they do substack stuff. Medhi Hasan’s new outlet Zeteo and Ryan Grim + Jeremy Scahill’s new outlet Dropsite are both doing very good work.
 
Yes. I would prefer that people are chosen on criteria that matter, not superficial criteria that we are born with and have no control over, like gender and skin color.
HIstorically gender and Skin color have dominated Even in the 60s UNC was basically all white and all Boys
The idea was to be the University of the People-not just White boys
So our trend has been to be more inclusive, more Diverse. And it is working. We now have Black girls going to college Thats good
Now it is still true that if both of your parents went to college and you go to a well funded School system and you come from a stable two parent family that can stay on you to do school work-well the stats say you will easily get into college. If your parents did not go to college and your school is not well funded -well its an uphill battle.
So the "criteria" if you get rid of what we have done the last few decades is "Did you come from a two parent college educated family " Not much of a meritocracy
 
Yes. I would prefer that people are chosen on criteria that matter, not superficial criteria that we are born with and have no control over, like gender and skin color.
That’s a nice utopia you describe. How do you propose to get there without any encouragement? There US never been a meritocracy. Must be nice being born into positions of power.

For someone reason nobody complained about Trump filling his posts with his kids.
 
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