DOGE Catch-All | DOGE ledger “riddled with errors”

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One Agency Tried to Regulate SpaceX. Now Its Fate Could Be in Elon Musk’s Hands.​

The Trump ally and DOGE chief is expected to turn his budget-slashing sights on the FAA’s little-known commercial spaceflight office, which has proposed fines and grounded SpaceX after explosions and other incidents.​

One Agency Tried to Regulate SpaceX. Now Its Fate Could Be in Elon Musk’s Hands.

The Trump ally and DOGE chief is expected to turn his budget-slashing sights on the FAA’s little-known commercial spaceflight office, which has proposed fines and grounded SpaceX after explosions and other incidents.

www.propublica.org

“When SpaceX’s Starship exploded in January, raining debris over the Caribbean, the Federal Aviation Administration temporarily grounded the rocket program and ordered an investigation.

The move was the latest in a series of actions taken by the agency against the world’s leading commercial space company.

“Safety drives everything we do at the FAA,” the agency’s chief counsel said in September, after proposing $633,000 in fines for alleged violations related to two previous launches. “Failure of a company to comply with the safety requirements will result in consequences.”

SpaceX CEO Elon Musk’s response was swift and caustic. He accused the agency of engaging in “lawfare” and threatened to sue it for “regulatory overreach.”

“The fundamental problem is that humanity will forever be confined to Earth unless there is radical reform at the FAA!” Musk wrote on X.

Today, Musk is in a unique position to deliver that change. As one of President Donald Trump’s closest advisers and head of the newly created Department of Government Efficiency, he’s presiding over the administration’s effort to cut costs and slash regulation.

… After the fines in September, SpaceX sent a letter to Congress blasting AST for being too slow to keep up with the booming space industry.

… FAA leadership seems to have heard him. The day of Trump’s inauguration, Whitaker stepped down — a full four years before the end of his term.

And experts said the pressure is almost certain to grow this year as Musk pursues an aggressive launch schedule for Starship, the most powerful rocket ever built. …”

“… The process, on average, takes five months. “It takes a certain amount of time to do the work to protect the public, and you do want to do that right,” Nield said. The consequences of shrinking the office or eliminating it altogether could be devastating, he said.

“If a rocket goes off course, and nobody’s double-checked it, and so you have a major catastrophic event, that’s going to result in a huge backlash.”

But Musk has criticized AST for focusing on “nonsense that doesn’t affect safety.” He’s also emphasized that his company moves quickly and must have failures to learn and improve. Within SpaceX, this approach is known as “rapid iterative development.” And it is not without risk.

Last month, when Starship blew up shortly after liftoff, dozens of airplanes scrambled to avoid falling debris. Residents of the Caribbean islands of Turks and Caicos reported finding pieces of the craft on beaches and roads, and the FAA said a car sustained minor damage.

… Musk, however, downplayed the explosion as “barely a bump in the road.” Moreover, he seemed to brush off safety concerns, posting a video of the flaming debris field with the caption, “Success is uncertain, but entertainment is guaranteed!” …”

 

[HandsonFire]

Elon made the claim about “luxury” hotels with zero proof.

“… It was not clear where the $59 million figure came from, and officials did not provide details to AP.

The New York City mayor’s office said it received $81 million in payments from the federal government for immigration-related costs last week in two separate pieces — one of which was about $59 million, with $19 million for direct hotel costs.

New York City's right-to-shelter laws require the city to provide shelter to anyone who's homeless. It has historically housed homeless people in hotels.

… In another post Monday, Musk said that under the Biden administration, FEMA took money away from disaster relief and “spent it on 5 star hotels for illegals.”

Garcia said the city has never paid luxury rates. The vast majority are outside Manhattan, and the government has paid on average $152 a night for rooms, according to a 2024 city comptroller report. In comparison, 5-star hotels in Manhattan for the coming weekend run from $400 a night to well over $1,000.

The payments of $81 million, Garcia said, covered reimbursements for November 2023 to October 2024, including hotel, security, food, and other costs. She said the city applied in April, the money was appropriated last year by Congress, and FEMA allocated it last year. …”

FEMA says it's halting payments for migrant housing in New York after Musk blasts money for hotels

The acting head of the federal agency responsible for responding to disasters says he’s suspending payments sent to New York City to house migrants and that staff who made them will be held accountable

abcnews.go.com

So it’s all bullshit by Elon and slurped up as Truth by Magat rubes. Elon knows the 59 million was given to housesthem but has no idea how the money was spent correct? Sounds like the city was in control of that money. Elon can’t see that unless he hacked it or someone leaked it to him. And if that’s the case my guess would be he sought them out and paid them to house these immigrants in 5 star hotels so he could discover “this fraud”.
I’ll reiterate if a Republicans lips are moving they are lying and you are a fool if you believe any of it.

 

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Elon made the claim about “luxury” hotels with zero proof.

“… It was not clear where the $59 million figure came from, and officials did not provide details to AP.

The New York City mayor’s office said it received $81 million in payments from the federal government for immigration-related costs last week in two separate pieces — one of which was about $59 million, with $19 million for direct hotel costs.

New York City's right-to-shelter laws require the city to provide shelter to anyone who's homeless. It has historically housed homeless people in hotels.

… In another post Monday, Musk said that under the Biden administration, FEMA took money away from disaster relief and “spent it on 5 star hotels for illegals.”

Garcia said the city has never paid luxury rates. The vast majority are outside Manhattan, and the government has paid on average $152 a night for rooms, according to a 2024 city comptroller report. In comparison, 5-star hotels in Manhattan for the coming weekend run from $400 a night to well over $1,000.

The payments of $81 million, Garcia said, covered reimbursements for November 2023 to October 2024, including hotel, security, food, and other costs. She said the city applied in April, the money was appropriated last year by Congress, and FEMA allocated it last year. …”

FEMA says it's halting payments for migrant housing in New York after Musk blasts money for hotels

The acting head of the federal agency responsible for responding to disasters says he’s suspending payments sent to New York City to house migrants and that staff who made them will be held accountable

abcnews.go.com

Right, more details are needed but most any hotel in NY city is going to be a more expensive option than non-NY city hotel or using a vacant building, etc...

 

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You’d prefer they are “housed” on the street?

Again, this was approved through Congress in a bipartisan vote. Our current laws allow immigrants applying for asylum to stay in the country until their court date, not shipped off to another country. Once they are released from their short-term facility, it’s either find them a place to stay (the humane way), or send them out to the streets (the cruel way) to fend for themselves until that court date.

Don’t like the immigration system? Change the laws or improve our current system by adding judges to speed the process up.

But that’s not the true goal of the Trump administration, is it? They don’t want to improve or streamline the immigration process. They want to eliminate it altogether.

"You’d prefer they are “housed” on the street?'

No straw-manning allowed. Please try again.

 

[finesse]

I expect that by the time they provide bedding, food, sanitation and everything else that a vacant building might be quite a bit more expensive,

 

[1moretimeagain]

Step 1 - Bus migrants to the most expensive parts of the country
Step 2 - Complain money was spent to deal with them there

 

[ZenMode]

He's terrible at it. Dumb bastard even let on that I got in his head. What self respecting troll would do that? Just pitiful.

Not surprising that a person who resorts to personal insults would also think far too highly of themselves. Responding in-kind doesn't mean you get into my head. It's literally just a tit-for tat to make you aware that you're a prick and that I know you're a prick.

 

[finesse]

Not surprising that a person who resorts to personal insults would also think far too highly of themselves. Responding in-kind doesn't mean you get into my head. It's literally just a tit-for tat to make you aware that you're a prick and that I know you're a prick.

What personal insult? You took umbrage because you acted like you had a less than third grade understanding of civics so I responded to you in kind. Don't play naif and then demand respect.

 

[WaynetheDrain]

"You’d prefer they are “housed” on the street?'

No straw-manning allowed. Please try again.

You’re just going to disregard the rest of the post, huh? You know, the whole part of it being legal, approved, and the money congressionally funded?

And you appear to be complaining that taxpayers are paying for this, so my question was perfectly appropriate. What’s your solution?

 

[superrific]

Right, more details are needed but most any hotel in NY city is going to be a more expensive option than non-NY city hotel or using a vacant building, etc...

1. Vacant building? Are you serious? You are simultaneously complaining about migrants carrying drugs over the border, and housing them in vacant buildings? Have you ever heard of a crack house?

2. This was why it was a bad idea to bus the migrants to NYC in the first place. Your side did that. Check out my response to pandemicblue on the other thread for explication.

In short, your team did this. It's entirely on you. So own it and stop whining.

 

[superrific]

Ok. So, if we're talking about matters related to use of federal funding, which I'm assuming is what is in question here, which district judge would have jurisdiction over the Executive branch? DC?

Would you like an explainer? I'll be happy to provide one, but only if you're going to learn from it and not argue with me. Asking questions to understand is fine. Asking questions to challenge me, when I'm providing a public service, is not OK.

This is probably the only message board in the entire country where you can get explainers from law professors for free. Whether you take advantage of that is up to you.

 

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Who decided use NY hotels vs a Motel 6 in the Bronx or housing them in a vacant building or other fiscally responsible options.

This is about NYC's handling of housing immigrants, I suspect any federal money is going to similarly situated housing...

While a few upscale hotels such as the Roosevelt have been converted to shelter migrants, the majority are housed in more affordable establishments, and none in five-star hotels.

Eric Trump said in a speech at the Republican National Convention, “illegal immigrants are housed in the most expensive hotels in New York,” but Sean Hennessey, a hotel industry adviser, told the New York Times it is primarily two-star hotels that are housing undocumented migrants.

New York City entered into a contract of up to $980 million with a hotel trade group to pay hotels that decide to shelter migrants under its “Sancturary Hotel Program.”

Most of those hotels were deep in debt, facing foreclosure or had received poor reviews from guests. About half were brand names including Courtyard, Holiday Inn Express, SpringHill Suites and Super 8.

The city contract requires hotels hosting migrants to pick up trash, do housekeeping every other day and provide fresh towels.

Are undocumented immigrants in most expensive New York hotels?

While about 65,000 migrants are being sheltered in New York City hotels, tent dormitories and other shelters, they are not in luxury hotels.

wisconsinwatch.org

 

[ZenMode]

Would you like an explainer? I'll be happy to provide one, but only if you're going to learn from it and not argue with me. Asking questions to understand is fine. Asking questions to challenge me, when I'm providing a public service, is not OK.

This is probably the only message board in the entire country where you can get explainers from law professors for free. Whether you take advantage of that is up to you.

Explainers are good, so yes.

 

[ZenMode]

What personal insult? You took umbrage because you acted like you had a less than third grade understanding of civics so I responded to you in kind. Don't play naif and then demand respect.

"What personal insult?"

Stop playing dumb. A) I already called it out and b) you know it was unnecessary.

Again... stop playing dumb and acknowledge you were being a prick.

 

[ZenMode]

1. Vacant building? Are you serious? You are simultaneously complaining about migrants carrying drugs over the border, and housing them in vacant buildings? Have you ever heard of a crack house?

2. This was why it was a bad idea to bus the migrants to NYC in the first place. Your side did that. Check out my response to pandemicblue on the other thread for explication.

In short, your team did this. It's entirely on you. So own it and stop whining.

The people who would be under the care of individual states and the federal government likely aren't the ones sneaking drugs across the border. They are the ones going to a port of entry,requesting asylum, being vetted, documented, etc.

If we are housing the ones truly sneaking across the border, that is an entirely different and more concerning situation.

Also, individual hotel rooms don't seem to be any more of a deterrent for illegal drug activity than a converted building.

 

[finesse]

"What personal insult?"

Stop playing dumb. A) I already called it out and b) you know it was unnecessary.

Again... stop playing dumb and acknowledge you were being a prick.

Of course I am. I still claim that your words and artful dodging is sufficient justification. How dare I treat you the way you acted. You didn't think acting that disingenuous about the separation of powers didn't deserve a child's primer? Get over yourself, snowflake.

 

[finesse]

The people who would be under the care of individual states and the federal government likely aren't the ones sneaking drugs across the border. They are the ones going to a port of entry,requesting asylum, being vetted, documented, etc.

If we are housing the ones truly sneaking across the border, that is an entirely different and more concerning situation.

Also, individual hotel rooms don't seem to be any more of a deterrent for illegal drug activity than a converted building.

No, the ones sneaking in over 85% of the fentanyl are going home to their homes here in America because they are citizens.

 

[ZenMode]

Of course I am. I still claim that your words and artful dodging is sufficient justification. How dare I treat you the way you acted. You didn't think acting that disingenuous about the separation of powers didn't deserve a child's primer? Get over yourself, snowflake.

You're claiming to be omniscient and using that claimed omniscience to justify being a prick.

You really don't stop, do you?

 

[finesse]

You're claiming to be omniscient and using that claimed omniscience to justify being a prick.

You really don't stop, do you?

Why would I? What have I said that was any kind of misrepresentation or unsupported?

Where do you get me claiming anything anywhere on this board at any time other than a certain expertise at carpentry and bridge and those are rusty and worn/ Sensitive much?

 

[ZenMode]

This is about NYC's handling of housing immigrants, I suspect any federal money is going to similarly situated housing...

While a few upscale hotels such as the Roosevelt have been converted to shelter migrants, the majority are housed in more affordable establishments, and none in five-star hotels.

Eric Trump said in a speech at the Republican National Convention, “illegal immigrants are housed in the most expensive hotels in New York,” but Sean Hennessey, a hotel industry adviser, told the New York Times it is primarily two-star hotels that are housing undocumented migrants.

New York City entered into a contract of up to $980 million with a hotel trade group to pay hotels that decide to shelter migrants under its “Sancturary Hotel Program.”

Most of those hotels were deep in debt, facing foreclosure or had received poor reviews from guests. About half were brand names including Courtyard, Holiday Inn Express, SpringHill Suites and Super 8.

The city contract requires hotels hosting migrants to pick up trash, do housekeeping every other day and provide fresh towels.

Are undocumented immigrants in most expensive New York hotels?

While about 65,000 migrants are being sheltered in New York City hotels, tent dormitories and other shelters, they are not in luxury hotels.

wisconsinwatch.org

What Eric Trump claims is of no interest. He's doing his job to paint a certain picture to benefit his dad. That's the norm for politics.

"the majority are housed in more affordable establishments, and none in five-star hotels."

Not exactly reassuring.

According to this link, NY has the third most expensive hotel average of any US city. So, if we have to house them in hotels, which I don't believe is necessary, why NY or any generally expensive city? If it's because they're close to the US immigration courts, that's illogical also because court hearings can be done remotely.