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Molotov Mocktail said:
Win them back??

The very best you can hope for is them not voting
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I understand that perspective in the short term. Long term it's simply not a winning strategy. I'm not under any illusion that rural - or culturally rural - voters are going to flock back to Dems any time soon. I have argued with posters like Paine in the past about how much effort Dems should really spend on the ground in rural areas, and continue to believe that trying to build an aggressive "ground game" across all the rural areas in the country (as opposed to more targeted efforts) is not necessarily a great investment. But as long as we have our current electoral college and Senate makeup Dems can't simply ignore rural voters or insist that they blame themselves for Trump. Any rural voters souring on Trump can and should be courted without insisting that they first self-flagellate for their sins.
 
rodoheel said:
I understand your point but don't think that sort of blame game is productive. Yes, people like him should have known what tariffs would mean for them. Yes, they probably looked past that to vote for Trump anyway. But the way to win them back is to show that Dems care about them more than Trump. Not to make them do penance before listening to what they say.
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Agreed.

I was listening to s podcast about the farmers. I didn't realize that almost 35% get their medical insurance via ACA, so they are looking at big increases, additionally they really rely on the USDA for a lot of data needed in their daily lives. The shutdown is making this data unavailable. This administration is really really screwing farmers.
 
UNCatTech said:
Agreed.

I was listening to s podcast about the farmers. I didn't realize that almost 35% get their medical insurance via ACA, so they are looking at big increases, additionally they really rely on the USDA for a lot of data needed in their daily lives. The shutdown is making this data unavailable. This administration is really really screwing farmers.
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Agricultural extension offices also do a lot of shit to help farmers and ranchers, especially of the smaller scale, and many of those programs have taken hits because they’re funded through grants awarded to land grant universities.
 
rodoheel said:
I understand your point but don't think that sort of blame game is productive. Yes, people like him should have known what tariffs would mean for them. Yes, they probably looked past that to vote for Trump anyway. But the way to win them back is to show that Dems care about them more than Trump. Not to make them do penance before listening to what they say.
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How about asking, “what would it take for you to vote for the candidate who isn’t proposing industry-killing tariffs?”
 
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