KishiKaisei
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Not only would I not buy one, I find it exceptionally hard not to personally judge people I see in Teslas at this point. I know many of them made a choice based on the vehicle but I can't separate that from the cataclysmic asshole that runs the company.
I saw one pull into the Harris Teeter parking lot at Carr Mill in Carrboro.
The guy who got out was a Joe Rogan Fight Club bro and MAGA.
I wanted to say, “Your car told me you have a little dick; your hat and wife-beater tell me you’re envious of Trump’s dick as described by Stormy.”
I didn’t want a fight; so, I said nothing.
As Jon Stewart said, AMC Gremlins were cars designed to keep young men from having sex.
SmilingJack
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Is that a Gremlin?
ETA: Saw Zoo's post and it reminded me of a trip I took with four guys down to New Orleans for Mardi Gras from Southern Pines. We had a Gene Tracy truck driver tape with the farting contest and played that non-stop for close to 18 hours. I developed a deep hate for Gremlins but my brother had bought a AMC Jeep after they bought out Willy's so I still have that. I digress but thank you for those memories.
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Jon Stewart’s bit about AMC Gremlins was during Bruce Springsteen’s award ceremony at the Kennedy Center years ago.
In a nutshell, Jon Stewart is managing a bar in Jersey and when he’d close up, he’d go out to his Gremlin to drive home and he’d crank the stereo and listen to The Boss…….singing about being a loser and yearning…….and yearning to be………a loser.
It’s a funny bit. Worth YouTubing…..plus, if you haven’t seen it, you get to see and hear some great covers of Springsteen classics.
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As bad as Elon is as a human, I can't think of any one person who has done more to address global warming. By providing a reasonable/superior alternative to internal combustion engines, he jump started that whole industry. In a decade or three, there will be far fewer green house gases than if he had taken his paypal money and sat on a beach knocking up women. So he has that going for him.
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Yes on one hand, but on the other:
The pollution caused by rocket launches
Rocket launches are an integral part of our 21st-Century world. But how do we stop their polluting exhausts accelerating climate change?
www.bbc.com
Marais's team found that black carbon emissions will more than double after just an additional three years of space tourism launches, and that particles emitted by rockets are almost 500 times more efficient at holding heat in the atmosphere than all other sources of soot combined, resulting in an enhanced warming climate effect. While current loss of ozone due to space launches is small, the impact of space tourism launches may undermine the recovery in the ozone layer experienced after the success of the 1987 Montreal Protocol which banned substances that deplete the Earth's ozone layer.
Maloney and his team calculated that each year rocket launches that use RP-1 collectively expel around 1 gigagram, or 1,000 metric tons, of black carbon into the stratosphere. Thanks to the growing number of rockets launched, this could reach 10 gigagrams a year in a couple of decades, along with a temperature rise in parts of the stratosphere of as much as 1.5 degrees Celsius, and a thinning of the ozone layer. If the amount of black carbon expelled into the atmosphere reach 30 gigagrams a year, or even 100, then there will be some cooling of the surface of the planet under this black carbon umbrella.
For their research paper, Ioannis Kokkinakis and Dimitris Drikakis, scientists at the University of Nicosia in Cyprus, used real rocket launch data from a Space X Falcon 9 rocket in 2016 to create the "first high-resolution and high-order computational model" of its kind to analyse in detail the impact of rocket emissions on the climate. This Space X launch was chosen because useful webcam footage of the exhaust gases was available. One of the "biggest surprises" they found is that in the first stage of the rocket launch around 116 tons of CO2 was emitted in 165 seconds. "That is quite significant," says Drikakis. "Yes, we don't know the actual impact on the atmosphere because atmospheric chemistry is a very complicated matter, but when you have the cumulative effect of more launches, it is going to get interesting."
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Each Falcon 9 first stage launch puts out the year carbon emissions of 41 cars. Still a ways to go before rockets emit more than cars, but they are also launching more rockets every month.Yes on one hand, but on the other:
Marais and a team of researchers from University College London (UCL), the University of Cambridge and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) used a 3D model to explore the impact on the atmosphere of rocket launches and re-entry in 2019, and the future impact of space tourism promoted by companies like Virgin Galactic and Blue Origin.The pollution caused by rocket launches
Rocket launches are an integral part of our 21st-Century world. But how do we stop their polluting exhausts accelerating climate change?
Marais's team found that black carbon emissions will more than double after just an additional three years of space tourism launches, and that particles emitted by rockets are almost 500 times more efficient at holding heat in the atmosphere than all other sources of soot combined, resulting in an enhanced warming climate effect. While current loss of ozone due to space launches is small, the impact of space tourism launches may undermine the recovery in the ozone layer experienced after the success of the 1987 Montreal Protocol which banned substances that deplete the Earth's ozone layer.
Maloney and his team calculated that each year rocket launches that use RP-1 collectively expel around 1 gigagram, or 1,000 metric tons, of black carbon into the stratosphere. Thanks to the growing number of rockets launched, this could reach 10 gigagrams a year in a couple of decades, along with a temperature rise in parts of the stratosphere of as much as 1.5 degrees Celsius, and a thinning of the ozone layer. If the amount of black carbon expelled into the atmosphere reach 30 gigagrams a year, or even 100, then there will be some cooling of the surface of the planet under this black carbon umbrella.
For their research paper, Ioannis Kokkinakis and Dimitris Drikakis, scientists at the University of Nicosia in Cyprus, used real rocket launch data from a Space X Falcon 9 rocket in 2016 to create the "first high-resolution and high-order computational model" of its kind to analyse in detail the impact of rocket emissions on the climate. This Space X launch was chosen because useful webcam footage of the exhaust gases was available. One of the "biggest surprises" they found is that in the first stage of the rocket launch around 116 tons of CO2 was emitted in 165 seconds. "That is quite significant," says Drikakis. "Yes, we don't know the actual impact on the atmosphere because atmospheric chemistry is a very complicated matter, but when you have the cumulative effect of more launches, it is going to get interesting."
gtyellowjacket
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I'd have to see the research. That's a bold claim that it could double Black carbon emission.Yes on one hand, but on the other:
Marais and a team of researchers from University College London (UCL), the University of Cambridge and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) used a 3D model to explore the impact on the atmosphere of rocket launches and re-entry in 2019, and the future impact of space tourism promoted by companies like Virgin Galactic and Blue Origin.The pollution caused by rocket launches
Rocket launches are an integral part of our 21st-Century world. But how do we stop their polluting exhausts accelerating climate change?
Marais's team found that black carbon emissions will more than double after just an additional three years of space tourism launches, and that particles emitted by rockets are almost 500 times more efficient at holding heat in the atmosphere than all other sources of soot combined, resulting in an enhanced warming climate effect. While current loss of ozone due to space launches is small, the impact of space tourism launches may undermine the recovery in the ozone layer experienced after the success of the 1987 Montreal Protocol which banned substances that deplete the Earth's ozone layer.
Maloney and his team calculated that each year rocket launches that use RP-1 collectively expel around 1 gigagram, or 1,000 metric tons, of black carbon into the stratosphere. Thanks to the growing number of rockets launched, this could reach 10 gigagrams a year in a couple of decades, along with a temperature rise in parts of the stratosphere of as much as 1.5 degrees Celsius, and a thinning of the ozone layer. If the amount of black carbon expelled into the atmosphere reach 30 gigagrams a year, or even 100, then there will be some cooling of the surface of the planet under this black carbon umbrella.
For their research paper, Ioannis Kokkinakis and Dimitris Drikakis, scientists at the University of Nicosia in Cyprus, used real rocket launch data from a Space X Falcon 9 rocket in 2016 to create the "first high-resolution and high-order computational model" of its kind to analyse in detail the impact of rocket emissions on the climate. This Space X launch was chosen because useful webcam footage of the exhaust gases was available. One of the "biggest surprises" they found is that in the first stage of the rocket launch around 116 tons of CO2 was emitted in 165 seconds. "That is quite significant," says Drikakis. "Yes, we don't know the actual impact on the atmosphere because atmospheric chemistry is a very complicated matter, but when you have the cumulative effect of more launches, it is going to get interesting."
Today, black carbon emissions are mostly from power plants and factories. It's basically soot. So you have thousands (or millions?) of smokestacks belching out black carbon pretty much continuously but a few hundred rockets that are belching out a lot of black carbon for a minute or two are going to double black carbon emissions? I'm not sure that passes the smell test.
Edit: I see the disconnect. Rockets are belching ozone depleting gasses into the stratosphere where as other sources like smokestacks, cars and airplanes are putting those pollutants into the atmosphere at a much lower altitude. Bears watching, but I don't think its enough to stop an industry.
I found a couple of lines in the paper to give an idea of scale:
"There has been substantial build-up of space debris and increased use of reusable rockets, though Larson et al. (2017) determined that annual launches of reusable rockets would need to reach 100,000 for re-entry heating NOx from reusable stages to cause a 0.5% decline in global stratospheric O3"
And
"The number of rocket launches per year has increased steadily since a lull in the mid-2000s, from 58 launches in 2003 to over 100 launches in 2018 and 2019"
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KishiKaisei
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The electric one is dope af tbh lol
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Elon Musk Shares Manipulated Harris Video, in Seeming Violation of X’s Policies
The billionaire owner of the social media platform X reposted a video that mimics Vice President Kamala Harris’s voice, without disclosing that it had been altered.“…
The video mimics Ms. Harris’s voice, but instead of using her words from the original ad, it has the vice president saying that President Biden is senile, that she does not “know the first thing about running the country” and that, as a woman and a person of color, she is the “ultimate diversity hire.”
In addition, the clip was edited to remove images of former President Donald J. Trump and his running mate, Senator JD Vance of Ohio, and to add images of Mr. Biden. The original, unaltered ad, which the Harris campaign released on Thursday, is titled “We Choose Freedom.” …”
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must be weird to be th erichest man in the world and still so desperate for someone, anyone to like you
gizmodo.com
Elon Musk is itching for a fight—or that’s what he says, at least. Even though he keeps ducking Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg, the Tesla CEO says he’ll accept a challenge from the president of Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro. No, you’re not having a fever dream.
Venezuela is in the middle of political turmoil stemming from the country’s election results declaring Maduro the winner. On Monday, the National Electoral Council that made the call, which also happens to be composed of members of the country’s United Socialist Party that Maduro leads, declined to release any ballot info. Supporters of Maduro’s opponent, retired diplomat Edmundo González, say they have exit polls and voter tally sheets showing him winning.
Over the course of multiple posts on Monday, Musk took to his platform X to proclaim Maduro committed “major election fraud” and amplified other tweets saying the same. This led to the Venezuelan president talking trash about Musk on national TV and challenging him to a fight on Monday.
I Regret to Inform You That Elon Musk Has Accepted Nicolas Maduro’s Fight Challenge
Musk says he'll give the Venezuelan president a free ride to Mars if he loses.
gizmodo.com
Venezuela is in the middle of political turmoil stemming from the country’s election results declaring Maduro the winner. On Monday, the National Electoral Council that made the call, which also happens to be composed of members of the country’s United Socialist Party that Maduro leads, declined to release any ballot info. Supporters of Maduro’s opponent, retired diplomat Edmundo González, say they have exit polls and voter tally sheets showing him winning.
Over the course of multiple posts on Monday, Musk took to his platform X to proclaim Maduro committed “major election fraud” and amplified other tweets saying the same. This led to the Venezuelan president talking trash about Musk on national TV and challenging him to a fight on Monday.
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One of those I hate this timeline moments.must be weird to be th erichest man in the world and still so desperate for someone, anyone to like you
Elon Musk is itching for a fight—or that’s what he says, at least. Even though he keeps ducking Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg, the Tesla CEO says he’ll accept a challenge from the president of Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro. No, you’re not having a fever dream.I Regret to Inform You That Elon Musk Has Accepted Nicolas Maduro’s Fight Challenge
Musk says he'll give the Venezuelan president a free ride to Mars if he loses.
Venezuela is in the middle of political turmoil stemming from the country’s election results declaring Maduro the winner. On Monday, the National Electoral Council that made the call, which also happens to be composed of members of the country’s United Socialist Party that Maduro leads, declined to release any ballot info. Supporters of Maduro’s opponent, retired diplomat Edmundo González, say they have exit polls and voter tally sheets showing him winning.
Over the course of multiple posts on Monday, Musk took to his platform X to proclaim Maduro committed “major election fraud” and amplified other tweets saying the same. This led to the Venezuelan president talking trash about Musk on national TV and challenging him to a fight on Monday.
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That same day, Grimes, Musk’s ex and mother to three of his kids, tweeted, “I love and am forever endlessly proud of Vivian.” While this has been unfolding, Musk also seems to be keeping the kids he shares with Grimes from her and her family.
On Saturday, Sandy Garossino, Grimes’ mother and a Canadian journalist, accused the Tesla CEO and alleged serial sexual harasser of withholding his kids with the singer and preventing them from visiting their dying great-grandmother. “Dear Elon @elonmusk It was nice seeing you on Father’s Day. I hope you got the card that I helped X make. He was so proud of it. … I’m writing here as the only way I have to reach you,” Garossino wrote. “As you know, my 93 year old mother is now at end-of-life palliative care. She yearns to see and hold Claire’s children one last time. Especially the youngest, whom she has not yet met.”
She continued, “I am alarmed to learn that the children cannot come as you are withholding them and their needed passport documents from Claire. It was even more troubling to see you and X on television at the Olympics in Paris yesterday, after your DC trip earlier in the week.” Garossino then asks where Grimes’ two other kids are, “and with whom? They are scheduled to be with their mother… in Canada.”
The final tweets in Garossino’s thread are heartbreaking: “With a grandmother’s plea, asking you to honor your agreement, return the children, and provide the documents they need to see their great grandmother before she passes. … Some moments in life last forever, and we get no second chances. Family is priceless.”
“Please Elon, I beg you. This is so painful for my mother, and concerning for the kids,” she wrote. “Time is of the essence now.”
On Saturday, Sandy Garossino, Grimes’ mother and a Canadian journalist, accused the Tesla CEO and alleged serial sexual harasser of withholding his kids with the singer and preventing them from visiting their dying great-grandmother. “Dear Elon @elonmusk It was nice seeing you on Father’s Day. I hope you got the card that I helped X make. He was so proud of it. … I’m writing here as the only way I have to reach you,” Garossino wrote. “As you know, my 93 year old mother is now at end-of-life palliative care. She yearns to see and hold Claire’s children one last time. Especially the youngest, whom she has not yet met.”
She continued, “I am alarmed to learn that the children cannot come as you are withholding them and their needed passport documents from Claire. It was even more troubling to see you and X on television at the Olympics in Paris yesterday, after your DC trip earlier in the week.” Garossino then asks where Grimes’ two other kids are, “and with whom? They are scheduled to be with their mother… in Canada.”
The final tweets in Garossino’s thread are heartbreaking: “With a grandmother’s plea, asking you to honor your agreement, return the children, and provide the documents they need to see their great grandmother before she passes. … Some moments in life last forever, and we get no second chances. Family is priceless.”
“Please Elon, I beg you. This is so painful for my mother, and concerning for the kids,” she wrote. “Time is of the essence now.”
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Musk putting his thumb on the political scale.