Epstein Files | Ghislaine Maxwell granted limited immunity for interview

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ChapelHillSooner said:
I graduated high school in 1989. From my sophomore year to my senior year there was a cute girl who was three years younger than me who had a crush on me. (My school was k-12 and 7-12 shared the same hallways, cafeteria times, etc.)

She was obviously too young when in 7th grade and I never dated her.

Anyway fast forward a few years and I briefly dated her when she was a 17 year old senior and I was a junior in college. It was sort of long distance. This would have been 1991/2. I was keenly aware that I had to be very careful because she was 17. I refused any efforts she made to go further than kissing. (I was still a virgin so you can imagine how hard that was.)

The point being, anyone who claims that having sex with minors was not frowned upon and prosecuted in the 1990’s is an idiot. Every guy knew they had to be careful. Every guy knew of cases where adults were charged with statutory rape.

Now all that said, I wasn’t aware that the age of consent isn’t always 18 nor was I aware of the laws that protected people who were close to the same age.

Ironically we broke up because she wrote a letter to me asking why I wouldn’t do certain things. He grandparents found the letter and basically said we couldn’t see each other anymore. I mean, f’ me. Haha. (I did find out later that they had a lot of respect for me over it and I wasn’t who they were upset with.)
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I don’t want sound like OG, but the Texas age of consent in 1995 was 16, with an affirmative defense down to 14 if the defendant could prove the victim was sexually active previously.
 
finesse said:
Wonder how many of those were second wives with the first wife lost in child birth. I expect it was a statistically relevant number.
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STATISTICALLY IRRELEVANT DATA WARNING!
Among my great-grandparents' generation, 4 couples, two of my g-grandmothers were second wives, where the first wife died in child birth. So in my case, 1/2. Those are two lonely gravestones.
 
nycfan said:
EXCLUSIVE

Here’s what’s on the Jeffrey Epstein list that the Trump DOJ is set to release later today​


nypost.com

Exclusive | Trump DOJ feeds Jeffrey Epstein documents to underwhelmed conservative influencers: ‘You should feel frustrated’

The person said the unveiling was likely to be a “disappointment” to sleuths eager for bombshell new evidence about the pedophile’s connection to prominent political and business leaders.
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“The Justice Department is preparing to release notorious sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein’s personal address book Thursday, The Post has learned.

A source who has reviewed the files said the release spans more than 100 pages, including a list of contacts without further context.

The person said the unveiling was likely to be a “disappointment” to sleuths eager for bombshell new evidence about the billionaire pedophile’s connection to prominent political and business leaders. …”
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Trump has to be on this or it will really appear doctored.

I'm actually not a fan of this being released. We don't need this type of transparency. There are likely 1000 or so names in that and every one of them will be accused of being a pedophile which obviously can't be true.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
Trump has to be on this or it will really appear doctored.

I'm actually not a fan of this being released. We don't need this type of transparency. There are likely 1000 or so names in that and every one of them will be accused of being a pedophile which obviously can't be true.
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i think some people would be shocked at the amount of pedo's there really are in our society
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
Trump has to be on this or it will really appear doctored.

I'm actually not a fan of this being released. We don't need this type of transparency. There are likely 1000 or so names in that and every one of them will be accused of being a pedophile which obviously can't be true.
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If there were any reason to believe someone else was a pedophile, wouldn't they have been arrested by now?
 
ZenMode said:
If there were any reason to believe someone else was a pedophile, wouldn't they have been arrested by now?
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Well, not really. There has to be sufficient enough evidence that they engaged in some sort of illegal act (being a pedophile, by itself, is not a crime). For the Feds to pick it up, “sufficient enough” means that they’re at least almost certain they would get a guilty verdict if they tried the case (i.e., what they deem to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt). So there could be evidence that might lead one to believe that someone has engaged in illegal acts with minors, but that may not be enough to prosecute.
 
ZenMode said:
If there were any reason to believe someone else was a pedophile, wouldn't they have been arrested by now?
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Belief comes way behind proof and evidence when it comes to arresting people. Matter of fact, it means very damned little. It might also surprise you to find that people who know pedophiles' secrets are frequently in a glass houses and stones situation.

I have a few minutes to help you play naif.
 
Calheel said:
I don’t want sound like OG, but the Texas age of consent in 1995 was 16, with an affirmative defense down to 14 if the defendant could prove the victim was sexually active previously.
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Two young people in an intimate relationship where one is 17 and the other is 20 is very different than what Trump (presumably) and many others were doing when palling around with Epstein.
 
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Icky Mettle said:
Well, not really. There has to be sufficient enough evidence that they engaged in some sort of illegal act (being a pedophile, by itself, is not a crime). For the Feds to pick it up, “sufficient enough” means that they’re at least almost certain they would get a guilty verdict if they tried the case (i.e., what they deem to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt). So there could be evidence that might lead one to believe that someone has engaged in illegal acts with minors, but that may not be enough to prosecute.
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You would think, given all of the evidence they have from cell phones, computers, etc, if there was anything "there", it would have been uncovered.

Not to mention the fact that there are surely law firms and media outlets digging into this, finding/talking to victims, etc that would have uncovered something by now or in the near future.
 
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ZenMode said:
You would think, given all of the evidence they have from cell phones, computers, etc, if there was anything "there", it would have been uncovered.

Not to mention the fact that there are surely law firms talking and media outlets digging into this, finding/talking to victims, etc that would have uncovered something by now or in the near future.
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Everybody else seems to understand the flaws in that whole you would think thing, especially if it is the personal you.
 
ZenMode said:
You would think, given all of the evidence they have from cell phones, computers, etc, if there was anything "there", it would have been uncovered.

Not to mention the fact that there are surely law firms and media outlets digging into this, finding/talking to victims, etc that would have uncovered something by now or in the near future.
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I don’t know to what extent “they” have evidence against others from cell phones, computers, etc., but it’s not like those involved are communicating/recording things via such devices in ways that can be well documented such that their is clear record of their crimes. And even if evidence is taken from these devices, is it enough to prove a case beyond reasonable doubt?

Also, by your logic, Epstein and Maxwell must be the only two people involved.
 
nycfan said:
“I did turn it down … I didn’t want to go to his island …”

Disbelief I Dont Believe You GIF by Peacock

Soooo, why did you turn it down? What were you worried about when your pal asked you to visit his private island?
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Pardon me but I believe Trump when he says he never visited Epstein's island.

Has Trump ever lied ? I don't think so...
 
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