Epstein Files | Ghislaine Maxwell

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Bill O'Reilly, entertaining as always. O'Reilly, repeatedly, claims in this clip that Epstein was prosecuted and committed suicide during the Biden Administration. This really gets directly to the heart of trying to debate issues with today's "conservatives." When someone insists on making up their own facts, it's pretty difficult to have a good faith discussion of issues of the day.
Saw the clip.
And whatever point he was going to make about Biden when he thought that all happened under his administration magically didn’t apply to Trump once he got called out on his absurd lie.
I honestly think these guys volley so many lies back and forth in their echo chambers that when they step out and face the real world they forget what the actual truth is.
 


Good God Almighty this keeps getting better and better! He's losing what few marbles he has left and it's spectacular to watch.

See that, MAGA? He thinks y'all are a bunch of fucking buffoons. Shit, I happen to agree with him!
 


Good God Almighty this keeps getting better and better! He's losing what few marbles he has left and it's spectacular to watch.

See that, MAGA? He thinks y'all are a bunch of fucking buffoons. Shit, I happen to agree with him!

This will be the best test of my personal "there's nothing Trump can do to lose MAGA" theory. He's calling most of his MAGA base (and a not-insignificant number of right-wing media figures and elected officials) a bunch of bitch-ass losers to their face. And IMO the vast majority, if not all, of them will not waver one iota in their personal loyalty to him.
 
This will be the best test of my personal "there's nothing Trump can do to lose MAGA" theory. He's calling most of his MAGA base (and a not-insignificant number of right-wing media figures and elected officials) a bunch of bitch-ass losers to their face. And IMO the vast majority, if not all, of them will not waver one iota in their personal loyalty to him.

Whatever else, Qanon has roots in theodicy: if the world is good because Trump is president, then why haven't Hilary Clinton and other prominent DemoNcrats been locked up for their crimes against children? More abstractly, why do we still suffer?

Qanon will never exist in its old 4chan/8chan form, but it'll be "interesting" to see how the theodicy changes to accommodate a world where Trump is president once again and now what were the most prominent apocalyptic forces (Epstein, adrenochrome, child sacrifice, Satanic panic) are dismissed as beneath contempt.
 


Lololol he called y'all weak bitches, MAGA!

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Note that “we” shall “forever” call it the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax. “PAST supporters” are “weaklings”(because they won’t bend to his will) no longer part of “we” (MAGA).

He has nothing to run for but the rest of the GOP may not be thrilled with the childish “I don’t want their support anymore!”

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This will be the best test of my personal "there's nothing Trump can do to lose MAGA" theory. He's calling most of his MAGA base (and a not-insignificant number of right-wing media figures and elected officials) a bunch of bitch-ass losers to their face. And IMO the vast majority, if not all, of them will not waver one iota in their personal loyalty to him.
Hell he will probably get even more popular with them now. They will say he is showing strength and leadership .
 
This will be the best test of my personal "there's nothing Trump can do to lose MAGA" theory. He's calling most of his MAGA base (and a not-insignificant number of right-wing media figures and elected officials) a bunch of bitch-ass losers to their face. And IMO the vast majority, if not all, of them will not waver one iota in their personal loyalty to him.
Yeah, maybe I'm paranoid but this actually worries me. A LOT. This feels a bit like a Night of the Long Knives moment. First you demonize the opposition. Then you demonize disloyal elements within your own party. Once that's done, power has been effectively consolidated in a way that makes you impervious.
 
Yeah, maybe I'm paranoid but this actually worries me. A LOT. This feels a bit like a Night of the Long Knives moment. First you demonize the opposition. Then you demonize disloyal elements within your own party. Once that's done, power has been effectively consolidated in a way that makes you impervious.
Eh - there are a lot of disturbing parallels in the rise of fascism in the 20s/30s and what we're seeing today, but I really don't this one lines up. The Night of the Long Knives was literally murdering people to get them out of the way and consolidate power, not just the leader saying "these people are no longer in our coalition." And in any event Trump isn't really talking to "disloyal" elements in his own party, and telling them they're going to be purged (literally or metaphorically), he's just telling people like MTG to shut the hell up about Epstein. And I expect most or all of those people to get the message and shut up like the obsequious little boot-lickers they are. Not get kicked to the curb, or literally stabbed in the back.
 
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Whatever else, Qanon has roots in theodicy: if the world is good because Trump is president, then why haven't Hilary Clinton and other prominent DemoNcrats been locked up for their crimes against children? More abstractly, why do we still suffer?

Qanon will never exist in its old 4chan/8chan form, but it'll be "interesting" to see how the theodicy changes to accommodate a world where Trump is president once again and now what were the most prominent apocalyptic forces (Epstein, adrenochrome, child sacrifice, Satanic panic) are dismissed as beneath contempt.
I generally agree with you, but the whole thing persevered quite well through one Trump term already, and I doubt it will be different this time. It's simply very difficult to break someone out of that sort of worldview once they fall in. Their brain will literally rebel against any suggestion that they've been hoodwinked from the start. So instead they'll grasp for whatever justification is offered.

Sort of like how we've how had literal centuries of people claiming that they've decoded the bible and that the second coming and/or rapture are happening any day now. Another one crops up every few years, and sometimes the people who make such a prediction and are proven dead wrong will just say "oops, slight miscalculation, it's five years from now" and most of the people who believed in them before just keep right on believing. Rather than confronting the realization that we are mostly unimportant people doing unimportant things, which a lot of people can't really handle mentally, it is intoxicating for many people to believe that they're part of something special and important. And they'll do whatever it takes to go right on believing that.
 
Whatever else, Qanon has roots in theodicy: if the world is good because Trump is president, then why haven't Hilary Clinton and other prominent DemoNcrats been locked up for their crimes against children? More abstractly, why do we still suffer?

Qanon will never exist in its old 4chan/8chan form, but it'll be "interesting" to see how the theodicy changes to accommodate a world where Trump is president once again and now what were the most prominent apocalyptic forces (Epstein, adrenochrome, child sacrifice, Satanic panic) are dismissed as beneath contempt.
I first read that as "Qanon has roots in theidiocy" :LOL:
 
I generally agree with you, but the whole thing persevered quite well through one Trump term already, and I doubt it will be different this time. It's simply very difficult to break someone out of that sort of worldview once they fall in. Their brain will literally rebel against any suggestion that they've been hoodwinked from the start. So instead they'll grasp for whatever justification is offered.

Sort of like how we've how had literal centuries of people claiming that they've decoded the bible and that the second coming and/or rapture are happening any day now. Another one crops up every few years, and sometimes the people who make such a prediction and are proven dead wrong will just say "oops, slight miscalculation, it's five years from now" and most of the people who believed in them before just keep right on believing. Rather than confronting the realization that we are mostly unimportant people doing unimportant things, which a lot of people can't really handle mentally, it is intoxicating for many people to believe that they're part of something special and important. And they'll do whatever it takes to go right on believing that.

We agree. In this instance, theodicy is a fancy name for the mental acrobatics that MAGA/Qanon will employ to reconcile themselves to Trump's downplaying of Epstein and globalist-Democrat pedophiles. I'd be surprised if that theodicy denounced Trump, but fingers crossed.

The gospels are theodicies too. The defining event is, of course, the (bad) death of (good) Jesus. In response, the gospels avow the very notion of a parousia (second coming); second, they differentially define the parousia in an attempt to make sense of the death of the (kingly) messiah and, downstream from that, why Jesus followers suffer persecution and why the majority of Jews are so obstinate, re: Jesus.
 
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