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ZenMode said:
That was acknowledged in the excerpt I posted from the Mueller report. Do you agree that a willingness to receive help isn't the same thing as colluding/conspiring?

Correct. There were two parts to the Mueller Report. One dealt with colluding/conspiring and one dealt with obstruction. While Mueller did NOT establish that Trump colluded, he DID seem to lay the groundwork for obstruction.

Obstruction is not collusion.

As I mentioned above, Mueller apparently found more than enough to lay the groundwork for indictment for obstruction, but not enough for collusion.

That being the case, and knowing that the government knows more than ANY of us as it relates to collusion, why would your opinion be that Trump colluded.

Note: Collusion is not a legal reference, but I'm tired of typing collude/conspire, so assume that "collude" is a reference to "conspire".
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sharing information in hopes of getting help and having secret meetings is collusion...even if its per wink and not on an explicit contract.

You never answered the questions? Why do you think data was shared?

What do you think Russia did or could do to impact the election with that data?
 






Short version is Wyden wants the entire batch of SARS from four different banks regarding $1.5 billion in allegedly suspicious transfers by Epstein made public so they can be investigated and discussed.

SARS are held very close and subject to strict disclosure rules for good reasons, so hard to know whether disclosure is truly justified in this case if there has been no investigation as to whether the transactions were reasonably flagged. But disclosure would allow for a Senate or House investigation into the reports.
 
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thebruinbleedstarheelblue said:
sharing information in hopes of getting help and having secret meetings is collusion...even if its per wink and not on an explicit contract.

You never answered the questions? Why do you think data was shared?
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I'm not sure why Don Jr. would share polling data. I don't know what polling data was shared, to be honest.
thebruinbleedstarheelblue said:
What do you think Russia did or could do to impact the election with that data?
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Again, not sure. Let's say Trump was doing poorly with white women or a certain age demographic. What could Russia do? There doesn't seem to be anything obvious.
 
I can't speak for anyone else but I'm a left-leaning moderate Democrat. Two weeks ago, I thought the Epstein scandal was a creature of the right wing fever swamps. Based on the responses of Trump and MAGA over the last two weeks, I now think there's a 99%+ chance Trump is a kid fucker and every single person who is supporting the Pubs right now is complicit in a cover-up of Trump's statutory rape. That includes, but is certainly not limited to, Ramrouser and callatoroy.

I respect others who may reach different conclusions, but all of this seems incredibly transparent to me.
 
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Short version is Wyden wants the entire batch of SARS from four different banks regarding $1.5 billion in allegedly suspicious transfers by Epstein made public so they can be investigated and discussed.

SARS are held very close and subject to strict disclosure rules for good reasons, so hard to know whether disclosure is truly justified in this case if there has been no investigation as to whether the transactions were reasonably flagged. But disclosure would allow for a Senate or House investigation into the reports.
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“… Mr. Wyden began his investigation roughly three years ago, with a particular focus on the more than $158 million in payments the billionaire investor Leon Black made to Mr. Epstein for tax and estate planning services. Mr. Black, who socialized with Mr. Epstein, was a co-founder of the private equity firm Apollo Global Management.

In early 2021, Mr. Black stepped down from all leadership posts at the firm after those payments and his close ties to Mr. Epstein became public. Mr. Black’s legal team has said that Mr. Epstein’s work saved Mr. Black some $2 billion in taxes and that he did nothing wrong in paying Mr. Epstein.

Early last year, his investigators, along with several Republican committee staffers, were permitted by Treasury officials to review the secret filings by the four banks.

The staff members were presented with thousands of pages of documents to review. But they were not allowed to make copies and could take only handwritten notes.

… In 2023, JPMorgan paid $290 million to Mr. Epstein’s victims and Deutsche paid $75 million to settle lawsuits that claimed the banks ignored red flags about potential sex trafficking. [The banks only filed the SARS after Epstein’s death, not in the usual 60 day window after the transaction occurred.]…”
 
ZenMode said:
I'm not sure why Don Jr. would share polling data. I don't know what polling data was shared, to be honest.

Again, not sure. Let's say Trump was doing poorly with white women or a certain age demographic. What could Russia do? There doesn't seem to be anything obvious.
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Don Jr didn’t share polling data. He was the one who had a meeting with Russians for the expressed purpose of having Russia help the Trump campaign.

It was the longtime political consultant in Russia and Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort who shared polling data with Russia.
 
1moretimeagain said:
Don Jr didn’t share polling data. He was the one who had a meeting with Russians for the expressed purpose of having Russia help the Trump campaign.

It was the longtime political consultant in Russia and Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort who shared polling data with Russia.
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Correct. And Manafort had a lot of his own very personal and very corrupt reasons for doing that. He had a lot of Italian suits that needed to be purchased. There was no evidence that Trump or anyone in the campaign wanted that data released.
 
Calheel said:
Correct. And Manafort had a lot of his own very personal and very corrupt reasons for doing that. He had a lot of Italian suits that needed to be purchased. There was no evidence that Trump or anyone in the campaign wanted that data released.
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No evidence anyone in the campaign wanted to share data with Russia? I assume your excluding the campaign manager?
 
ZenMode said:
My daughter was in competitive dance for several years, which meant that we traveled a couple times a year to competitions.

My wife, as most moms did, handled 99% of everything related to dance. I just showed up and clapped.

On the road, the dancers from our team, of which there were over 100, generally waited together in a room until it was their turn to perform. That waiting room was NOT the changing room where they changed costumes between dances, so it wasn't uncommon for parents to be in that room.

Apparently that room arrangement was not always the case. Sometimes the room was for changing AND waiting. This was something I didn't know.

So, there was one local event that my wife couldn't attend. She dropped our daughter off with her hair and make-up done, costumes in hand and left. Apparently she forgot some part of one of her costumes, so she frantically called me to stop by our house to get that missing item and bring it to her before the competition started.

I get the missing item, walk onto the campus and, after wandering around for a few minutes, trying to find where our team was, I ask someone who pointed me in the right direction. I find the room, open the door and just stroll in like I belong there. For reasons that should be obvious, I yell "Oh God!!", spun around, eyes covered, ran into the door jamb and felt my back outside.
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Good thing you didn't do this as a trans person - some asshole like you probably would have declared you and all others like you to be mentally ill perverts
 
1moretimeagain said:
No evidence anyone in the campaign wanted to share data with Russia? I assume your excluding the campaign manager?
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Correct. Anyone ELSE. Manafort was grifting off of Trump. A common theme with Trump. He tends to attract a lot of grifters around him.
 

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1moretimeagain said:
Don Jr didn’t share polling data. He was the one who had a meeting with Russians for the expressed purpose of having Russia help the Trump campaign.

It was the longtime political consultant in Russia and Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort who shared polling data with Russia.
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Ok. Whoever it was, I'm still not sure what Russia would be able to do with polling data.
 
ZenMode said:
Ok. Whoever it was, I'm still not sure what Russia would be able to do with polling data.
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Does it really matter what they would be able to do with it? If someone combines Miracle Grow and diesel fuel in an attempt to bomb a school, should we let them go because they happened to not make a bomb? Your chosen hill in this thing is that the Trump campaign didn't collude/coordinate/whatever with the Russians...that they were entirely passive recipients of unsolicited help. I think the fact that the campaign manager was sharing information back with a hostile foreign power sort of undercuts your stance there.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Does it really matter what they would be able to do with it? If someone combines Miracle Grow and diesel fuel in an attempt to bomb a school, should we let them go because they happened to not make a bomb? Your chosen hill in this thing is that the Trump campaign didn't collude/coordinate/whatever with the Russians...that they were entirely passive recipients of unsolicited help. I think the fact that the campaign manager was sharing information back with a hostile foreign power sort of undercuts your stance there.
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For the record, it's not my chosen hill. I'm only looking at the result of the investigation.

I was as anxious for the Mueller Report as anyone. A president/presidential candidate conspiring with Russia would be horrifying, if not depressing.
 
ZenMode said:
Ok. Whoever it was, I'm still not sure what Russia would be able to do with polling data.
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Who cares what you are sure of. Are you a state of the art election hacker? No. You have no idea what info they wanted or for why. For all you know, the polling data could have been used to calibrate some of their Facebook pulls/pushes.
 
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