Epstein Files | Patel: Trust us
- Thread starter nycfan
- Start date
- Replies: 688
- Views: 17K
- Politics
- Messages
- 2,286
He knows those buffoons will simply reorganize their identity around every tweet. They wait for the daily salvos of demented ramblings to decide who they are.
theel4life
Iconic Member
- Messages
- 1,578
rodoheel
Iconic Member
- Messages
- 1,911
This will be the best test of my personal "there's nothing Trump can do to lose MAGA" theory. He's calling most of his MAGA base (and a not-insignificant number of right-wing media figures and elected officials) a bunch of bitch-ass losers to their face. And IMO the vast majority, if not all, of them will not waver one iota in their personal loyalty to him.
Whatever else, Qanon has roots in theodicy: if the world is good because Trump is president, then why haven't Hilary Clinton and other prominent DemoNcrats been locked up for their crimes against children? More abstractly, why do we still suffer?
Qanon will never exist in its old 4chan/8chan form, but it'll be "interesting" to see how the theodicy changes to accommodate a world where Trump is president once again and now what were the most prominent apocalyptic forces (Epstein, adrenochrome, child sacrifice, Satanic panic) are dismissed as beneath contempt.
- Messages
- 22,335
Lololol he called y'all weak bitches, MAGA!
Note that “we” shall “forever” call it the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax. “PAST supporters” are “weaklings”(because they won’t bend to his will) no longer part of “we” (MAGA).
He has nothing to run for but the rest of the GOP may not be thrilled with the childish “I don’t want their support anymore!”
theel4life
Iconic Member
- Messages
- 1,578
Hell he will probably get even more popular with them now. They will say he is showing strength and leadership .
lawtig02
Inconceivable Member
- Messages
- 3,908
Yeah, maybe I'm paranoid but this actually worries me. A LOT. This feels a bit like a Night of the Long Knives moment. First you demonize the opposition. Then you demonize disloyal elements within your own party. Once that's done, power has been effectively consolidated in a way that makes you impervious.
rodoheel
Iconic Member
- Messages
- 1,911
Eh - there are a lot of disturbing parallels in the rise of fascism in the 20s/30s and what we're seeing today, but I really don't this one lines up. The Night of the Long Knives was literally murdering people to get them out of the way and consolidate power, not just the leader saying "these people are no longer in our coalition." And in any event Trump isn't really talking to "disloyal" elements in his own party, and telling them they're going to be purged (literally or metaphorically), he's just telling people like MTG to shut the hell up about Epstein. And I expect most or all of those people to get the message and shut up like the obsequious little boot-lickers they are. Not get kicked to the curb, or literally stabbed in the back.
Last edited:
rodoheel
Iconic Member
- Messages
- 1,911
I generally agree with you, but the whole thing persevered quite well through one Trump term already, and I doubt it will be different this time. It's simply very difficult to break someone out of that sort of worldview once they fall in. Their brain will literally rebel against any suggestion that they've been hoodwinked from the start. So instead they'll grasp for whatever justification is offered.
Sort of like how we've how had literal centuries of people claiming that they've decoded the bible and that the second coming and/or rapture are happening any day now. Another one crops up every few years, and sometimes the people who make such a prediction and are proven dead wrong will just say "oops, slight miscalculation, it's five years from now" and most of the people who believed in them before just keep right on believing. Rather than confronting the realization that we are mostly unimportant people doing unimportant things, which a lot of people can't really handle mentally, it is intoxicating for many people to believe that they're part of something special and important. And they'll do whatever it takes to go right on believing that.
- Messages
- 1,713
That's how I felt about going to Dead shows...
- Messages
- 954
I first read that as "Qanon has roots in theidiocy"
We agree. In this instance, theodicy is a fancy name for the mental acrobatics that MAGA/Qanon will employ to reconcile themselves to Trump's downplaying of Epstein and globalist-Democrat pedophiles. I'd be surprised if that theodicy denounced Trump, but fingers crossed.
The gospels are theodicies too. The defining event is, of course, the (bad) death of (good) Jesus. In response, the gospels avow the very notion of a parousia (second coming); second, they differentially define the parousia in an attempt to make sense of the death of the (kingly) messiah and, downstream from that, why Jesus followers suffer persecution and why the majority of Jews are so obstinate, re: Jesus.
Last edited:
BlooVooDoo
Iconic Member
- Messages
- 1,737
It would be a lot easier for MAGA to swallow if Trump just said Look, I didn’t know they were only 17, 16, 14, whatever. I mean, the bartender was serving them alcohol, a lot of alcohol, and they acted like they’d done it all before. How was I supposed to know they were underage?
CFordUNC
Legend of ZZL
- Messages
- 5,034
Hell, it would actually be so uncharacteristically intelligent for him to actually come up with a lie that is plausible. It would be way better than “we have the files and we will release the files and it is one of my biggest campaign promises to you to release the files so that we can finally destroy the democrat pedophile deep state and the files are on my Attorney General‘s desk but actually the files do not exist and never existed but if they did exist which they don’t they were created by Obama Hillary and Biden but still they don’t exist but everyone should stop talking about it right now and especially all of my dumb fuck shit for brains supporters.”