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I have repeatedly admitted that I separate Trump the man vs Trump the President who is kicking ass in case you haven't noticed. The EU sure has.
Epstein "stole people" who worked for Trump
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Because Trump takes particular pride and joy in Mar a Lago which serves as his part time home and club where he entertains his friends and business leaders (and world leaders). It's not just one of his businesses. It's his image, reflection and persona.
An Alpha male "stealing" one or more of your employees of your pride and joy company would piss off another Alpha male like Trump.
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Food for thought -- Casting a Moral Ballot: Avoiding the Formal Cooperation with Evil According to Classical Natural Law Principles | Ave Maria School of Law
Accordingly, it is a direct violation of natural law principles to consciously vote for a law or official that will violate a first-order natural law precept, such as “thou shalt not murder.” The moral weight and culpability of the cooperation through voting is determined by the requisite knowledge of the voter regarding the law or official. Therefore, if an individual votes for a provision that legalizes and expands access to abortion, he would be in formal cooperation with evil of the unjust taking of human life. Conversely, if an individual, following his moral compass to the best of his ability, votes in favor of a provision legalizing recreational marijuana, he would have likely only materially cooperated with any negative effects that stem from its ratification. This is because the act of murder is a self-evident violation of the natural law, whereas the moral quality of smoking recreational marijuana is far more ambiguous and questionable in nature.
When exercising the political right to vote, it is helpful to heed Long’s words when he states, “what is true of operation, pertains also to co-operation.” That is, if the voter believes that his execution of the act that the provision or official supports would violate natural law principles, his vote for such a provision or official would also be in formal cooperation with the act, and accordingly, the violation.
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That last paragraph is the most pathetic paragraph that has been written here.
You may as well have just written “i have a micropenis”
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I know that you have no threshold low enough to be shamed, but unironically callling other men "alpha males", as you do often, is deeply, deeply embarrassing. It's humiliating, even. Please help us help you. Stop that.
Secondly, even you aren't able to pretend to be dense enough to not see what a big problem it is that: 1. Donald Trump employed an underage teenager in his "spa" in MAL; 2. Donald Trump specifically knew the name and age of said underage "spa worker"; and 3. Donald Trump was angry that a known child sex trafficker "stole" his "spa worker.
So which is it? Was Donald Trump aware or was he not aware of Jeffrey Epstein being a pedophile? If he was aware, why did he allow his 16 year old “spa worker” to be “stolen” buy a child sex trafficking pedophile without reporting it to the authorities? Furthermore, why did Donald Trump have a 16-year-old “spa worker”?
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lmao, anyone who unironically talks about alpha/beta anything is a completely unserious, idiotic person but the most notorious pedophile in united states history and the bone spurs deferment coward who can't see his dick over his own belly aren't alpha anything, regardless.
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GDP growth is half of what it was last year, and just barely above half of what was forecast last year. Kicking ass, indeed.
You never answered the question about automotive tariffs. It is now actually cheaper to build cars in Europe and export them than it is to make them here and sell them. How is this kicking ass?
Business investment is now down, in comparison to the record-breaking levels of investment under Biden. Interest rates are up. Inflation is rising. Buying a home is harder than it's been in a generation. The DOJ has been weaponized in a way that it has never been -- not even in the 1950s. As the non-appointments of Alina Habba and the guy in NV have shown, DOJ is so invested in punishing enemies that they have completely compromised their ability to pursue criminal convictions.
Is it winning that the criminal courts in NJ have shut down because there is no validly appointed US Attorney? I mean, one court was set to take a guilty plea this week and sentence a defendant; that's been put on pause indefinitely because the prosecution is invalid. That drug dealer is now still out there, specifically because Pam Bondi decided fealty to a president is more important than rules and statutory provisions.
We have US Citizens being roughed up, assaulted and injured on the regular because immigration enforcement uses drug cartel tactics. The entire world is laughing at the country's ignorance. China has become, almost overnight, the world's biggest superpower. The US has no friends any more.
Trump is so angry at Putin that he tariffed India, LOL. The Middle East is in the throes of a genocide after Trump said he would stop the war in his first month.
You do you, I suppose, but it's just truly sad that you see all of this as "kicking ass." He's kicking the ass of the American people because he fundamentally loathes us. Only some of us can see it.
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I completely agree with your first statement.
Your second statement is wrong, there are many conservative talking had and opinion shows wanting answers to the files.
It's not just one thing that makes him suspect, there are many.
Me personally, I'm more worried about what this is a distraction for and how he and the project 2025 team are fixing our democracy.
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There were no business leaders or world leaders visiting Mar-A-Lago in the relevant time period.
And I will echo the other posters in laughing at your alpha male imagery. You might as well tattoo on your head, "I haven't been laid in a decade."
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I'm wrong way more than I'm right on this board, but I have to say, I was expecting this thread to be merged by now. People seem to be catching on to the significance of Trump's recent Epstein comments, which is amazing in this Flood the Zone world. E.g. --
President Donald Trump wants to move on from his administration’s fiasco over the Jeffrey Epstein files, but he keeps hampering that effort by opening his mouth.
The most recent instance has to do with precisely why the two men had a falling out about two decades ago.
Trump acknowledged on Tuesday that the employees who he said Monday that Epstein poached from him, triggering their breakup, were young women who worked in the spa at his Mar-a-Lago club.
“The answer is yes, they were,” he told reporters on Air Force One while traveling back from Scotland.
The answer doesn’t just call into question Trump’s honesty about his relationship with Epstein, but also his potential knowledge of the accused sex trafficker’s misconduct. (Trump has not been accused of any wrongdoing in connection with Epstein.)
A day earlier, the president said they’d fallen out because Epstein “stole people that worked for me” – including after he had warned Epstein not to do it again. But Trump had made no mention of the employees being young women.
And the White House last week had said Trump barred Epstein from his Mar-a-Lago club “for being a creep.” (Trump on Tuesday said the two reasons were “sort of a little bit of the same thing.”)
But back in 2019, reporting traced their fallout to another factor entirely: the two powerful real estate men competing for the same Palm Beach property.
It’s clear that this is something of a sensitive subject. After Epstein’s arrest in 2019, Trump declined to go into detail about their falling out, telling reporters, “The reason doesn’t make any difference, frankly.”
But it surely does now. So where does the truth lie?
Trump was the most forthcoming so far on Tuesday.
Epstein hired away Mar-a-Lago spa employees more than once, Trump said, even after being warned against it, prompting him to cut ties with Epstein and throw him out of the club.
“I said, ‘Listen, we don’t want you taking our people, whether it was spa or not spa,’” Trump told reporters. “And then not too long after that he did it again and I said, ‘outta here.’”
He also acknowledged that one of those employees may have been Virginia Giuffre, one of Epstein’s most prominent accusers, who died by suicide earlier this year.
“I think she worked at the spa,” Trump said. “I think that was one of the people, yeah. He stole her.”
With these answers, there’s clear overlap between Trump’s account Monday and what the White House said last week.
“I wouldn’t talk [to him] because he did something that was inappropriate. He hired help,” Trump said of Epstein on Monday, adding: “He stole people that worked for me. I said, ‘Don’t ever do that again.’ He did it again, and I threw him out of the place, persona non-grata. I threw him out, and that was it.” And last week, the White House communications director said: “The fact is that the president kicked [Epstein] out of his club for being a creep.”
Both of those accounts differ from the falling out that’s portrayed in a 2019 Washington Post report about the two men competing for a bankrupted oceanfront property called Maison de l’Amitié – a process that included plenty of hardnosed tactics. (The first Trump White House at the time did not comment on or deny that story.)
When asked by CNN on Tuesday to reconcile these accounts, the White House said, “Nothing more to add to POTUS’ comments.”
There are still plenty of unanswered questions.
Trump casting Epstein as merely having stolen employees – even young women from the spa – would be a pretty shocking way to characterize recruiting someone into a sex-trafficking ring.
The whole thing certainly adds to questions about what Trump knew and when about Epstein’s activities.
Those questions had already been relevant for a host of reasons.
There’s the infamous 2002 Trump comment about how Epstein “likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” There’s the Florida businessman who has said he expressed discomfort to Trump about putting on a “calendar girl” event with Epstein.
“I said, ‘Look, Donald, I know Jeff really well, I can’t have him going after younger girls,” he recalled telling Trump, according to The New York Times.
And then there’s longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone’s 2016 book, in which he quoted Trump citing how Epstein’s “swimming pool was full of beautiful young girls.”
“How nice, I thought,” Trump said, according to Stone, “he let the neighborhood kids use his pool.”
And then there’s another reported scene at Mar-a-Lago. A 2020 book by reporters for the Miami Herald and Wall Street Journal reported that Trump actually severed ties with Epstein after he hit on a Mar-a-Lago member’s teenage daughter.
President Donald Trump wants to move on from his administration’s fiasco over the Jeffrey Epstein files, but he keeps hampering that effort by opening his mouth.
The most recent instance has to do with precisely why the two men had a falling out about two decades ago.
Trump acknowledged on Tuesday that the employees who he said Monday that Epstein poached from him, triggering their breakup, were young women who worked in the spa at his Mar-a-Lago club.
“The answer is yes, they were,” he told reporters on Air Force One while traveling back from Scotland.
The answer doesn’t just call into question Trump’s honesty about his relationship with Epstein, but also his potential knowledge of the accused sex trafficker’s misconduct. (Trump has not been accused of any wrongdoing in connection with Epstein.)
A day earlier, the president said they’d fallen out because Epstein “stole people that worked for me” – including after he had warned Epstein not to do it again. But Trump had made no mention of the employees being young women.
And the White House last week had said Trump barred Epstein from his Mar-a-Lago club “for being a creep.” (Trump on Tuesday said the two reasons were “sort of a little bit of the same thing.”)
But back in 2019, reporting traced their fallout to another factor entirely: the two powerful real estate men competing for the same Palm Beach property.
It’s clear that this is something of a sensitive subject. After Epstein’s arrest in 2019, Trump declined to go into detail about their falling out, telling reporters, “The reason doesn’t make any difference, frankly.”
But it surely does now. So where does the truth lie?
Trump was the most forthcoming so far on Tuesday.
Epstein hired away Mar-a-Lago spa employees more than once, Trump said, even after being warned against it, prompting him to cut ties with Epstein and throw him out of the club.
“I said, ‘Listen, we don’t want you taking our people, whether it was spa or not spa,’” Trump told reporters. “And then not too long after that he did it again and I said, ‘outta here.’”
He also acknowledged that one of those employees may have been Virginia Giuffre, one of Epstein’s most prominent accusers, who died by suicide earlier this year.
“I think she worked at the spa,” Trump said. “I think that was one of the people, yeah. He stole her.”
With these answers, there’s clear overlap between Trump’s account Monday and what the White House said last week.
“I wouldn’t talk [to him] because he did something that was inappropriate. He hired help,” Trump said of Epstein on Monday, adding: “He stole people that worked for me. I said, ‘Don’t ever do that again.’ He did it again, and I threw him out of the place, persona non-grata. I threw him out, and that was it.” And last week, the White House communications director said: “The fact is that the president kicked [Epstein] out of his club for being a creep.”
Both of those accounts differ from the falling out that’s portrayed in a 2019 Washington Post report about the two men competing for a bankrupted oceanfront property called Maison de l’Amitié – a process that included plenty of hardnosed tactics. (The first Trump White House at the time did not comment on or deny that story.)
When asked by CNN on Tuesday to reconcile these accounts, the White House said, “Nothing more to add to POTUS’ comments.”
There are still plenty of unanswered questions.
Trump casting Epstein as merely having stolen employees – even young women from the spa – would be a pretty shocking way to characterize recruiting someone into a sex-trafficking ring.
The whole thing certainly adds to questions about what Trump knew and when about Epstein’s activities.
Those questions had already been relevant for a host of reasons.
There’s the infamous 2002 Trump comment about how Epstein “likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” There’s the Florida businessman who has said he expressed discomfort to Trump about putting on a “calendar girl” event with Epstein.
“I said, ‘Look, Donald, I know Jeff really well, I can’t have him going after younger girls,” he recalled telling Trump, according to The New York Times.
And then there’s longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone’s 2016 book, in which he quoted Trump citing how Epstein’s “swimming pool was full of beautiful young girls.”
“How nice, I thought,” Trump said, according to Stone, “he let the neighborhood kids use his pool.”
And then there’s another reported scene at Mar-a-Lago. A 2020 book by reporters for the Miami Herald and Wall Street Journal reported that Trump actually severed ties with Epstein after he hit on a Mar-a-Lago member’s teenage daughter.
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Come on now. We were promised "irrefutable evidence." Calla himself told us it's coming. Just because it's now been a week since we were told about such evidence and we haven't seen jack shit, let's not give up on our truth-tellers quite yet.
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Seriously how stupid do you have to be to think Donald Trump is an alpha male? He screams punk ass pussy bitch. The man ran from the draft and wears more makeup than most of our wives.
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