👀 Waltz, SecDef SignalGate | Hegseth copies wife, lawyer on second Signal thread

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CFordUNC said:
I am certain nothing of actual consequence will come of this, but it has definitely been oddly satisfying seeing the the MAGAts on skates trying their best to spin this egregious failure. The spin is so outlandishly absurd and discombobulated.
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You would think that after 9 years of spinning Trump and MAGA bs that they would be better at it. But here we are with the same weak ass lie, deny, deflect and defend spin that they always use.

Guess it must work exactly as intended on the cultist because they keep going back to it over and over.
 
The end game is that they keep spinning until the reality can't be denied. Think Iraq War in 2006.

The problem is we all suffer for their tomfoolery.
 
superrific said:
Much worse. Afghanistan was a military operation. Military operations are difficult to plan and often go sideways. The degree of difficulty is high.

This was a fucking group chat. This is the simplest thing in the world do get right. As you might have seen the video earlier on this thread, it's explainable to small children. Here's what you need to know to avoid this problem:

don't discuss military operations over unsecured channels. Unsecured for military purposes.

That's all. It's like that cartoon from Trump 1 with Merkel asking Trump, "what did I tell you about hiring Nazis?" and Trump says, "Don't" Then next slide: "and what did you do?" Trump: hired Nazis.

The difference here is orders of magnitude in scope. General rule of thumb: if there is an operational principle that a high schooler can easily understand and implement, then the fucking Secretary Of Defense better be able to do as well as the high schooler and if he can't, he shouldn't be the Secretary Of Defense.
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Trump caved to the Taliban, bringing f****g terrorists into Camp David! Disgraceful. The "deal" where Trump was paid left a skeleton crew in Afghanistan - a poison pill. Trump bent over for Putin and tried to aid him in disrupting NATO. Putin as a KGB agent wished to reconstitute the Soviet Empire. Could Obama also have done more than sanctions in response to the 2014 invasion and capture of Crimea and infiltration into the Donbas. Putin thought NATO and Zelenskyy were weak enough to make his move.

We all knew the Taliban would not abide by the agreement. One of my family members served in Afghanistan - the company that replaced them were ambushed and killed. So Ram can ram it where the sun doesn't shine.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
The Admin. is digging in protecting Hegeseth comments. They probably got the idea and talking points from Sean Hannity/Faux News. If Elon is the real Prez. then Hannity is the VP.

Anyway, they are claiming that Hegseth did not lie or mislead in ANY way. They contend it is because he said there were no "War Plans" on the chat, and never said there were not "Attack Plans."

Not sure what the excuse will be for Tulsi who waa asked specifically if any general target was displayed, any particular times, or any particular weapons used. She said no. My guess here is that she included the phrase "that I recall." But this wasn't years ago.

And they all claimed there was no classified information on the chat. 100% false and no way to deny. The point about Biden's Admin allowing Signal to be installed, does not allow for classified info, conversations, and military ops planning. Only MAGAt dunderheads like RamRammer would fall for that.

Oh, and they are still bashing the Atlantic Editor as if their opinions of him matter. He was the only responsible one on the chat. He only released the Plans days after the strike, and only because he was forced to with all the perjury and lies yesterday.
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If they have to have a sacrificial lamb (they probably won't, given how Republicans get away with these things) it might well be Tulsi. She's the only non-white male directly involved, so in this administration she would almost certainly be seen as expendable.
 
Calheel said:
Trump refuses to take Ls and he doesn’t respect anyone else who takes Ls. So obviously, no one in his administration will ever take an L and move on.
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Unfortunately, I think this is correct. Trump's cabinet members have tied themselves in knots trying to admit absolutely no wrongdoing because they think the Boss wants them to do so. Waltz is the only one who said he screwed up and the buck stops with him. Simply admit you were wrong and move on. Trump has actually been pretty reasonable in HIS comments, stating everyone needs to learn from their mistakes.

What else is there to say about this? We know Pete shouldn't have been discussing the timing of the attacks on Signal and Goldberg shouldn't have been added to the chat by Waltz (or staff). At this point the dead horse is simply being hit.
 
Ramrouser said:
At this point the dead horse is simply being hit.
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Interesting. But attacking DEI isn't hitting a dead horse?

The problem here is that this isn't a one-off situation. A lot of things have to go wrong before this bullshit happened. First, you have to have cabinet members who are unaware of communication standards and regulations. Second, you have to have cabinet members eager to defy rules and best practices because, apparently, they are woke. Third, you have to have a bunch of people piling on a chat that they shouldn't be a part of, and fail to point that out -- and the others who are supposed to be there have to ignore the presence of those people. Fourth, you have to have cabinet members paying so little attention to what is actually happening in the chat that they fail to notice obvious problems.

Only after those four levels of incompetence exist can we even get to the true moron move, which was using this channel for actual attack plans. Like, all of the above is a problem if they were merely talking about whether military action against Houthis was advisable. If that discussion was happening by chat, heads should still roll.

That they were talking about war plans (I refuse to parse stupid distinctions) is only the mold on top of the shit sundae. That's what takes it from "ridiculously incompetent" to "is this real life?"

Pointing out that incompetence and demanding actual reforms in lieu of "I fucked up multiple times in my first two months but I promise it won't happen again" is not beating a dead horse.
 
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