👀 Waltz, SecDef SignalGate | Signalgate 2.0 Oct 2025

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Kraftyheel89 said:
The Admin. is digging in protecting Hegeseth comments. They probably got the idea and talking points from Sean Hannity/Faux News. If Elon is the real Prez. then Hannity is the VP.

Anyway, they are claiming that Hegseth did not lie or mislead in ANY way. They contend it is because he said there were no "War Plans" on the chat, and never said there were not "Attack Plans."

Not sure what the excuse will be for Tulsi who waa asked specifically if any general target was displayed, any particular times, or any particular weapons used. She said no. My guess here is that she included the phrase "that I recall." But this wasn't years ago.

And they all claimed there was no classified information on the chat. 100% false and no way to deny. The point about Biden's Admin allowing Signal to be installed, does not allow for classified info, conversations, and military ops planning. Only MAGAt dunderheads like RamRammer would fall for that.

Oh, and they are still bashing the Atlantic Editor as if their opinions of him matter. He was the only responsible one on the chat. He only released the Plans days after the strike, and only because he was forced to with all the perjury and lies yesterday.
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If they have to have a sacrificial lamb (they probably won't, given how Republicans get away with these things) it might well be Tulsi. She's the only non-white male directly involved, so in this administration she would almost certainly be seen as expendable.
 
Calheel said:
Trump refuses to take Ls and he doesn’t respect anyone else who takes Ls. So obviously, no one in his administration will ever take an L and move on.
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Unfortunately, I think this is correct. Trump's cabinet members have tied themselves in knots trying to admit absolutely no wrongdoing because they think the Boss wants them to do so. Waltz is the only one who said he screwed up and the buck stops with him. Simply admit you were wrong and move on. Trump has actually been pretty reasonable in HIS comments, stating everyone needs to learn from their mistakes.

What else is there to say about this? We know Pete shouldn't have been discussing the timing of the attacks on Signal and Goldberg shouldn't have been added to the chat by Waltz (or staff). At this point the dead horse is simply being hit.
 
Ramrouser said:
At this point the dead horse is simply being hit.
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Interesting. But attacking DEI isn't hitting a dead horse?

The problem here is that this isn't a one-off situation. A lot of things have to go wrong before this bullshit happened. First, you have to have cabinet members who are unaware of communication standards and regulations. Second, you have to have cabinet members eager to defy rules and best practices because, apparently, they are woke. Third, you have to have a bunch of people piling on a chat that they shouldn't be a part of, and fail to point that out -- and the others who are supposed to be there have to ignore the presence of those people. Fourth, you have to have cabinet members paying so little attention to what is actually happening in the chat that they fail to notice obvious problems.

Only after those four levels of incompetence exist can we even get to the true moron move, which was using this channel for actual attack plans. Like, all of the above is a problem if they were merely talking about whether military action against Houthis was advisable. If that discussion was happening by chat, heads should still roll.

That they were talking about war plans (I refuse to parse stupid distinctions) is only the mold on top of the shit sundae. That's what takes it from "ridiculously incompetent" to "is this real life?"

Pointing out that incompetence and demanding actual reforms in lieu of "I fucked up multiple times in my first two months but I promise it won't happen again" is not beating a dead horse.
 
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Ramrouser said:
So this was worse than Afghanistan with people dying and literally falling out of the sky from airplanes? That debacle indirectly lead to Russia attacking Ukraine. Where was the demand for mass firings after that foreign policy debacle - and don't try and blame it on Trump as Biden was responsible for the logistics and the Sept 11th timing.
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uhhhhh…. yes, this was absolutely 100% unequivocally worse from an OPSEC standpoint. Like, ten times worse. To my knowledge, the Afghanistan withdrawal was a logistics error. This was quite specifically a breach of national security. That’s like comparing apples to cannon balls. Your problem with the Afghanistan withdrawal is that it was a logistical failure. My problem with this current scandal is that it is an unacceptable failure of maintaining operational security and integrity that could directly negatively impact United States military personnel and operations.
 
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