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I remember early in the 2016 election when the GQP traditional candidates were debating Trump and were totally flummoxed by Trump's unorthodox performances.

I read an analysis of those debates by a modern day French philosopher .

His analogy was that the traditional GQP candidates were playing by the Queensbury rules of boxing while Trump was playing by the "rules" of WWE wrestling. The GQP candidates were throwing punches while Trump was blindsiding them with slams over the head with folding chairs.

I think the WWE analogy holds today and I submit that Fox News is like the network that airs WWE wrestling.

There is no way that network can come out and tell their viewers that WWE is fake because the vast majority of viewers believe it is "real" not unlike MAGAs today ( would love to see a venn diagram of WWE fans and MAGAs )

Likewise, Fox News cannot report that Trump's posturing and bombastic chest beating is little more than that of Ric Flair. They would lose their viewers.
 
heelinhell said:
I remember early in the 2016 election when the GQP traditional candidates were debating Trump and were totally flummoxed by Trump's unorthodox performances.

I read an analysis of those debates by a modern day French philosopher .

His analogy was that the traditional GQP candidates were playing by the Queensbury rules of boxing while Trump was playing by the "rules" of WWE wrestling. The GQP candidates were throwing punches while Trump was blindsiding them with slams over the head with folding chairs.

I think the WWE analogy holds today and I submit that Fox News is like the network that airs WWE wrestling.

There is no way that network can come out and tell their viewers that WWE is fake because the vast majority of viewers believe it is "real" not unlike MAGAs today ( would love to see a venn diagram of WWE fans and MAGAs )

Likewise, Fox News cannot report that Trump's posturing and bombastic chest beating is little more than that of Ric Flair. They would lose their viewers.
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I know it's not your main point but do you really think the majority of people that watch WWE think wrestling is real? I suppose that if the majority of viewers are 8-year-olds, which I suppose is possible, that might be a true statement. But if most viewers are over the age of 10, I think believing the majority of viewers think it's real is about as dumb as, well, people that think wrestling is real.
 
heelinhell said:
I remember early in the 2016 election when the GQP traditional candidates were debating Trump and were totally flummoxed by Trump's unorthodox performances.

I read an analysis of those debates by a modern day French philosopher .

His analogy was that the traditional GQP candidates were playing by the Queensbury rules of boxing while Trump was playing by the "rules" of WWE wrestling. The GQP candidates were throwing punches while Trump was blindsiding them with slams over the head with folding chairs.

I think the WWE analogy holds today and I submit that Fox News is like the network that airs WWE wrestling.

There is no way that network can come out and tell their viewers that WWE is fake because the vast majority of viewers believe it is "real" not unlike MAGAs today ( would love to see a venn diagram of WWE fans and MAGAs )

Likewise, Fox News cannot report that Trump's posturing and bombastic chest beating is little more than that of Ric Flair. They would lose their viewers.
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I've heard the WWE comparison multiple times and completely agree.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I know it's not your main point but do you really think the majority of people that watch WWE think wrestling is real?
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Well, let's see. Half of America voted for Trump, apparently believing all sorts of statements even more absurd than WWE. WWE is more likely to be real than Trump was likely to stop the war in Ukraine with a phone call. I would say that the WWE audience very likely skews heavily MAGA. So yeah, a majority of WWE viewers believe ridiculous things. Things that make no sense and are obviously contrary to experience.

Obviously I can't talk to their views about WWE in particular, but it's plausible that a person who believed there were 50K Haitians in an Ohio town eating all the pets, who believed that there were towns in the midwest taken over by gangs, who believe that vaccines are a conspiracy might also believe the fighting they see on TV is real.
 
superrific said:
Well, let's see. Half of America voted for Trump, apparently believing all sorts of statements even more absurd than WWE. WWE is more likely to be real than Trump was likely to stop the war in Ukraine with a phone call. I would say that the WWE audience very likely skews heavily MAGA. So yeah, a majority of WWE viewers believe ridiculous things. Things that make no sense and are obviously contrary to experience.

Obviously I can't talk to their views about WWE in particular, but it's plausible that a person who believed there were 50K Haitians in an Ohio town eating all the pets, who believed that there were towns in the midwest taken over by gangs, who believe that vaccines are a conspiracy might also believe the fighting they see on TV is real.
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I can't speak to the WWE culture of today, but I had the occasion to watch "professional" wrestling when I was in college back in the 70s. A bunch of us would travel to Raleigh and watch the greats...Rip Hawk and Swede Hanson , Johnny Weaver and George Becker, Bronco Lubich and Aldo Bogni managed by Homer O'Dell

We went tanked up to watch some good entertainment and we were never disappointed.
That said we were always impressed with how many in the audience thought this was realo_O
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I know it's not your main point but do you really think the majority of people that watch WWE think wrestling is real? I suppose that if the majority of viewers are 8-year-olds, which I suppose is possible, that might be a true statement. But if most viewers are over the age of 10, I think believing the majority of viewers think it's real is about as dumb as, well, people that think wrestling is real.
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WWE is now covered as a legitimate sport on espn.com. Its aficionados don't care whether it's real or even partially real. It's real to them because it's entertaining. I think that's the perfect analogy to Trump's political analogy.
 
Huh? said:
WWE is now covered as a legitimate sport on ESPN.com. Its aficionados don't care whether it's real or even partially real. It's real to them because it's entertaining. I think that's the perfect analogy to Trump's political analogy.
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While ESPN does cover WWE, it's not typically presented as a legitimate sport in the traditional sense.. ESPN's coverage focuses on the entertainment and spectacle of WWE, acknowledging its scripted nature while highlighting the athleticism of the wrestlers. Some argue that WWE is more of a form of entertainment or "sports-entertainment" than a sport.
 
My point is that legitimacy and realness are no longer relevant standards for many.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I know it's not your main point but do you really think the majority of people that watch WWE think wrestling is real? I suppose that if the majority of viewers are 8-year-olds, which I suppose is possible, that might be a true statement. But if most viewers are over the age of 10, I think believing the majority of viewers think it's real is about as dumb as, well, people that think wrestling is real.
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As I mentioned in a previous post, I can't speak to what WWE fans believe today from my personal experience, but I can tell you back in the 70s the vast majority in the stands believed it was real based upon my personal experience.
 
heelinhell said:
I can't speak to the WWE culture of today, but I had the occasion to watch "professional" wrestling when I was in college back in the 70s. A bunch of us would travel to Raleigh and watch the greats...Rip Hawk and Swede Hanson , Johnny Weaver and George Becker, Bronco Lubich and Aldo Bogni managed by Homer O'Dell

We went tanked up to watch some good entertainment and we were never disappointed.
That said we were always impressed with how many in the audience thought this was realo_O
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That’s General Homer O’Dell, sir. Do not be disrespectful!
 
farce© said:
That’s General Homer O’Dell, sir. Do not be disrespectful!
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I confess that I did not know he was a General, but if he was a General , he was not a very ethical general. When his wrestlers were getting whooped, he would jump in the ring and smack their opponents with his cane so I say I don't like generals who smack opponents with a cane; I like generals who don't smack opponents with a cane.
 
heelinhell said:
As I mentioned in a previous post, I can't speak to what WWE fans believe today from my personal experience, but I can tell you back in the 70s the vast majority in the stands believed it was real based upon my personal experience.
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I do think that belief was much more widespread back then although not sure about the majority. I don't think it would be anywhere near majority 50 years later after dropping kayfabe and 1000's of shoot interviews on the wrestling business.
 
Huh? said:
WWE is now covered as a legitimate sport on espn.com. Its aficionados don't care whether it's real or even partially real. It's real to them because it's entertaining. I think that's the perfect analogy to Trump's political analogy.
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Yep! What is it...maybe 90 percent of what Trump says is just made up! Rachel Maddow calls it "brain farts".
 
Geisterfahrer said:
The pain hasn’t really hit yet. These “no regret” folks, let’s hear from them in September.
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They’ll say the same thing, even after the tariffs result in a summer recession, followed by protests, followed by military and paramilitary crackdowns.

Whether these folks are actual Nazis or merely Good Germans, they’re effectively the same psychological set.
 
Healing said:
They’ll say the same thing, even after the tariffs result in a summer recession, followed by protests, followed by military and paramilitary crackdowns.

Whether these folks are actual Nazis or merely Good Germans, they’re effectively the same psychological set.
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I disagree. If/when recession, layoffs and rising costs start hitting hard, a significant chunk of his support will turn on him like wild dogs.
 
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