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ChileG said:
And even if we allow that Trump may get “marginally better” trades deals (he won’t but stay with me), there is no way that would be worth all the damage already done.
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Based upon what the Administration (not Trump himself) is saying I think we may do better with India and perhaps China with the rest being a relative wash but I take your point about whether it's worth it.
 
Lando said:
It would involve being conservative in the first place. Trump is who he wants to be as a husband, father, and Christian. He won’t denounce him.
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Why would I denounce Trump - I like (for the most part) his policies. Most policies align with my conservative beliefs.

My support for him has nothing to do whether I think he’s a good husband, father or Christian. Irrelevant.
 
Ramrouser said:
Bit of an overstatement don't you think CatTech? Trump could have just lived off his inheritance as a trust fund baby.
Instead, he did build numerous businesses on his own and managed to get elected President of the United States on, at least, two occasions.
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This is true, like it or not
 
Ramrouser said:
Why would I denounce Trump - I like (for the most part) his policies. Most policies align with my conservative beliefs.

My support for him has nothing to do whether I think he’s a good husband, father or Christian. Irrelevant.
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What do "conservative" beliefs mean any more?

The pro-Russia stuff would not be a conservative belief historically. Neither would be massive tariffs, bypassing Congress with impoundments and executive orders, pulling funding from research institutions, threatening the fed chair's job, erratic and ever-changing policy announcements, using the office for personal enrichment, lying about election results/fraud, etc.

Could you imagine how Reagan/GWHB would react to any of the above? I'd say very few of Trump's policies align with conservative beliefs -- at least how conservative beliefs have traditionally been defined and understood.

Being an immigration hardliner and cracking down on racial diversity would certainly qualify as traditional conservative beliefs -- as would tax cuts for the rich and reducing government regulation and appointing conservative judges. But those are not "most" of his policies. Most of what he does on a day to day basis has very little to do with conservative values or beliefs
 
…and I could list an equally long list of issues the liberals/Democrats have shifted on or changed since the Reagan era or even 15 years ago.
 
Ramrouser said:
…and I could list an equally long list of issues the liberals/Democrats have shifted on or changed since the Reagan era or even 15 years ago.
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Perhaps but that is not what I was asking. I was asking if you thought Trump’s policies were “conservative”. To me, they are not conservative and I am not sure why you think they are.
 
Trump is definitely not a classic conservative. As many has noted, he doesn’t really have an ideology and follows his “gut.” Tariffs are really his only consistent issue. It’s just many of his main issues currently align with conservatives circa 2025. Plus, admittedly conservatives love how he owns the libs. On a few issues (trade and War hawks) he’s clearly moved the party in his direction.
 
Ramrouser said:
Why would I denounce Trump - I like (for the most part) his policies. Most policies align with my conservative beliefs.
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The point is that Trump -- and I guess by extension you -- cannot be called conservative in any reasonable meaning of that term.

He is a right-wing radical extremist. His policies are right-wing radicalism. If you agree with them, that makes you a right wing radical, sorry to say. That's just a fact. Now, maybe a right-wing radical is what you want to be. Plenty of people seem to think fondly, even today, of certain left-wing radicals. I don't know, maybe the Cuban health system is just that good. I don't agree, but whether or not you think "Fidel was right," he was a left wing radical and so were his policies. Full stop. Fact.
 
Sounds like Ramlouser wants to start the "I got mine" party to me and anything that is in agreement with his "greed is Good" format give him seconds!
 
Calheel said:
What do "conservative" beliefs mean any more?

The pro-Russia stuff would not be a conservative belief historically. Neither would be massive tariffs, bypassing Congress with impoundments and executive orders, pulling funding from research institutions, threatening the fed chair's job, erratic and ever-changing policy announcements, using the office for personal enrichment, lying about election results/fraud, etc.

Could you imagine how Reagan/GWHB would react to any of the above? I'd say very few of Trump's policies align with conservative beliefs -- at least how conservative beliefs have traditionally been defined and understood.

Being an immigration hardliner and cracking down on racial diversity would certainly qualify as traditional conservative beliefs
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Except that deporting without due process is not traditionally conservative. Conservatives have always been stalwart defenders of the right to due process, even if their understanding of due process is needlessly restrictive and credulous. Trump's zero due process is a depature.
 
Ramrouser said:
Why would I denounce Trump - I like (for the most part) his policies. Most policies align with my conservative beliefs.

My support for him has nothing to do whether I think he’s a good husband, father or Christian. Irrelevant.
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How fortunate. Your belief in Trump as a moral exemplar is just a bonus.
 
What is DUE PROCESS for a foreign gangbanger who regularly beats his wife? Is it a jury trial in federal district court. No, It’s some immigration clerk confirming he’s an illegal a lien.
 
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