Five years since George Floyd

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The death of George Floyd could have turned into one of the most important moments in US history for opening up an honest conversation about race, and a genuine engagement and healing process that could have shaped the future of race relations in this country.

How the political right turned it into a wedge issue to increase racial *hostility* was just an absolute master class in weaponized propaganda.
 
TarSpiel said:
The death of George Floyd could have turned into one of the most important moments in US history for opening up an honest conversation about race, and a genuine engagement and healing process that could have shaped the future of race relations in this country.

How the political right turned it into a wedge issue to increase racial *hostility* was just an absolute master class in weaponized propaganda.
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A good portion of our country is against improved race relations.
 
Silence Dogood said:
If you want to argue police could of handled the situation differently, or maybe been more aware of the knee maneuver then maybe just maybe we can find some common ground. But acting as if the police were looking for trouble, and straight murdered Floyd, you're not going to win that argument. Everyone sees the dem party used the tragedy for political gain. Having fentanyl in your system, any amount, is a ticking time bomb.
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Win what argument? He was convicted of murder. The only counter argument appears to be based on misinformation about fentanyl causing his death. I'm sorry you appeared to have fallen for it.

People, not just democrats, were rightfully horrified to see a police officer abuse his power and kill a pedestrian. The people that pounced on the political side of things were conservative social media promoting lies about how he died. I'm sure Laura Loomer is proud of how you're white knighting those lies, though. Keep up the work.
 
As usual, the left went way too far:

Riots in the streets all summer
Media gaslit public by proclaiming “mostly peaceful protests”
“Summer of love”
Defund the police
Cashless bail/no chase policy
Let them “blow off steam”
Corporations shoving social justice/DEI down our throats including sporting events
Yanked the All Star game from ATL for no reason
Unfair prosecution of police officers in ATL and elsewhere
Social justice lessons in schools - whites are BAD and oppressors.
Gross exaggerations of “thousands of unarmed black males being killed by police officers each year” when the number was 13

America finally said ENOUGH!
 
TarSpiel said:
I get more and more Marxist as I get older, and I just can't help but suspect that race antagonism is pushed by those who really, really, really do not want us talking about class.
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Same as it ever was.


President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
 
TarSpiel said:
I get more and more Marxist as I get older, and I just can't help but suspect that race antagonism is pushed by those who really, really, really do not want us talking about class.
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Unfortunately, a good many folks who stand in opposition to Rightist policies and actions also almost completely ignore class and probably do nearly as much damage in holding back change and consensus as do the modern conservatives and fascists.
 
finesse said:
Same as it ever was.


President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
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There is little evidence he ever said that. The quote was first published over 20 years after LBJ's death. Supposedly, it was told to Bill Moyers who was a young LBJ staffer at the time. If it was said, the context was Johnson criticizing a bunch of white race protesters in Tennessee and not some nefarious political strategy to keep white people voting against their economic interests so they could keep black people down.

There is even less evidence Johnson said, "I'll have them [Black people] voting Democratic for the next 200 years,"
 
gtyellowjacket said:
There is little evidence he ever said that. The quote was first published over 20 years after LBJ's death. Supposedly, it was told to Bill Moyers who was a young LBJ staffer at the time. If it was said, the context was Johnson criticizing a bunch of white race protesters in Tennessee and not some nefarious political strategy to keep white people voting against their economic interests so they could keep black people down.

There is even less evidence Johnson said, "I'll have them [Black people] voting Democratic for the next 200 years,"
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So you have a source but you don't believe it was said but if it was said , it doesn't mean what it seems to say but refers to this specific group. Okay-y-y.
 
finesse said:
So you have a source but you don't believe it was said but if it was said , it doesn't mean what it seems to say but refers to this specific group. Okay-y-y.
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Exactly. That is what is called adding context to a misunderstood and very possibly apocryphal quote.

If Ari Fleischer suddenly came up with a story today that only he was present for quoting HW Bush that those Chinese protestors got what they deserved in Tiananmen Square and Republicans wished they could do that over here to some of those uppity whiners, would you believe him or would you be a little skeptical? I would want more proof before I repeated it as fact and then I would want to understand what he meant when he said it.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Exactly. That is what is called adding context to a misunderstood and very possibly apocryphal quote.

If Ari Fleischer suddenly came up with a story today that only he was present for quoting HW Bush that those Chinese protestors got what they deserved in Tiananmen Square and Republicans wished they could do that over here to some of those uppity whiners, would you believe him or would you be a little skeptical? I would want more proof before I repeated it as fact and then I would want to understand what he meant when he said it.
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Conflating Fleischer and Moyer is damning enough. Claiming you can provide context is clownish.
 
finesse said:
Oh. and last I heard, these guys still have a pretty good reputation.

www.snopes.com

LBJ: 'If You Can Convince the Lowest White Man He's Better Than the Best Colored Man ...'

President Lyndon B. Johnson, who grew up in the South and understood the politics of racism from the inside, saw it in part as a ploy to divide and conquer.
www.snopes.com www.snopes.com
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I think they missed on that one. The only source is one guy 2 decades after he said it? And even if he did say it, its not particularly clear from that Snopes article if Johnson was criticizing or endorsing the racial protestors.
 
finesse said:
Conflating Fleischer and Moyer is damning enough. Claiming you can provide context is clownish.
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You mean two journalists that both were former Presidential aides. Can't imagine why anyone would conflate those two guys in that... I'm not sure you are going to know what context means if I put it at the end of the sentence.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think they missed on that one. The only source is one guy 2 decades after he said it? And even if he did say it, its not particularly clear from that Snopes article if Johnson was criticizing or endorsing the racial protestors.
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What seems to be clear is that you're as full of shit as a Christmas turkey.

I think I'm done here.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
You mean two journalists that both were former Presidential aides. Can't imagine why anyone would conflate those two guys in that... I'm not sure you are going to know what context means if I put it at the end of the sentence.
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That’s pretty silly. There’s really no comparison between the two.
 
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