Five years since George Floyd

gtyellowjacket said:
There is little evidence he ever said that. The quote was first published over 20 years after LBJ's death. Supposedly, it was told to Bill Moyers who was a young LBJ staffer at the time. If it was said, the context was Johnson criticizing a bunch of white race protesters in Tennessee and not some nefarious political strategy to keep white people voting against their economic interests so they could keep black people down.

There is even less evidence Johnson said, "I'll have them [Black people] voting Democratic for the next 200 years,"
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At the end of the day it really matters fuckall who said it.

It's true, that's what matters.
 
Silence Dogood said:
Use your imagination
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No, answer the question.

For me, it is the prosecution of the person that committed the crime. I know that will never be enough for the family, legal justice never really is. There really isn't anything that we can ever do for the victim of such a crime, even if we take your approach, it doesn't bring back the family member or erase the pain of the loss. It's horrible that anyone is murdered.

But I'm sure your answer is to punish millions of people that had nothing to do with the murder because they are brown and didn't get invited to the country by trump, like the White South Africans. I would be willing to bet that if orange turd said it was ok to murder brown immigrants, that many maga cult would be overjoyed to be able to help serve "Justice". Though none of this will help, deporting 10 million people will not bring back this family's child. But it will make the cult happy.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
There is little evidence he ever said that. The quote was first published over 20 years after LBJ's death. Supposedly, it was told to Bill Moyers who was a young LBJ staffer at the time. If it was said, the context was Johnson criticizing a bunch of white race protesters in Tennessee and not some nefarious political strategy to keep white people voting against their economic interests so they could keep black people down.

There is even less evidence Johnson said, "I'll have them [Black people] voting Democratic for the next 200 years,"
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Who fucking cares if he said it? IT'S TRUE.
 
donbosco said:
That’s pretty silly. There’s really no comparison between the two.
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I've noted two similarities: a journalist who was a former aide to a president. But the name of the journalist doesn't matter for the hypothetical. Pick Clinton and Stephanopoulos if that makes the difference.
 
See, this is how it always happens.

Someone mentions that racial animus distracts from the basic material struggles and common cause that cross race lines, and within 10 seconds we're talking about "Smearing the good name of LBJ."

Never fails.
 
TarSpiel said:
Wait...you think the quote - via Moyers or whoever else - purports to be LBJ describing his *own* political strategy?

If so, wow. Big miss on your part.
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You may be confusing Super saying that I felt like it was LBJ's political strategy with me actually claiming it was LBJ's political strategy. Easy mistake to make.

What I did claim was despite someone attributing that quote to LBJ, there is very little evidence he actually said it. I don't think it's right for people to smear a giant for a possibly made up or misremembered or out of context quote when he did so much for civil rights.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
You may be confusing Super saying that I felt like it was LBJ's political strategy with me actually claiming it was LBJ's political strategy. Easy mistake to make.
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It wouldn't be a "smear" on LBJ if he was saying it about other people, now would it?

You're dissembling.
 
TarSpiel said:
It wouldn't be a "smear" on LBJ if he was saying it about other people, now would it?

You're dissembling.
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It could be. You must admit that people have used quotes like this attributed to LBJ as evidence that he was a racist who only cared about getting votes vs doing right.

And maybe I jumped the gun. LBJ is one of my favorite presidents, even with his flaws, so I can get a bit defensive.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
You may be confusing Super saying that I felt like it was LBJ's political strategy with me actually claiming it was LBJ's political strategy. Easy mistake to make.

What I did claim was despite someone attributing that quote to LBJ, there is very little evidence he actually said it. I don't think it's right for people to smear a giant for a possibly made up or misremembered or out of context quote when he did so much for civil rights.
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Nobody in the history of the world has ever made the mistake of confusing you for me. Nobody ever will. It would be like watching some pickup ball and confusing Kendall Marshall with Kendall Jenner.
 
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