Fluoride may be doing more harm than good

gtyellowjacket said:
So now your Fortune 100 experience trumps jama, NIH, Harvard School of public health? I think I'll trust them on this one before I start listening to the guy that made thought leadership reports at general motors.
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Do you have a hard time reading? Where did I say my experience trumps anyone? I said it gave me respect for treating data with care. Which is what I'm suggesting you do as well.
 
Milk and Cookies said:
Its literally over 100% higher

You're getting all spun up. Let's back up.

Show me the scientific consensus that supports a recommendation by the EPA to eliminate flouride from our drinking water.

I'll hang up and listen.
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Show me a scientific consensus that fluoridating water is safe. Its not there because the studies are still being done. The question is if we should keep doing it when there is a fair chance that its dangerous or we should stop until the studies are completed.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Show me a scientific consensus that fluoridating water is safe. Its not there because the studies are still being done. The question is if we should keep doing it when there is a fair chance that its dangerous or we should stop until the studies are completed.
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CDC
US Public Health Service
Department of Health and Human Services (which includes the NIH)
EPA

Literally all relevant federal scientific bodies maintain a recommended standard of at least 0.7mg/L. That is the current consensus.
 
Milk and Cookies said:
CDC
US Public Health Service
Department of Health and Human Services (which includes the NIH)
EPA

Literally all relevant federal scientific bodies maintain a recommended standard of at least 0.7mg/L. That is the current consensus.
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Well there's not consensus within the NIH based on the most recent report.

And the EPA currently says that levels below 4 mg per liter are safe when these studies show that it's not. The EPA is currently reconsidering their recommendations because of court order. They haven't appealed which seems to me that there's not exactly consensus within the EPA.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Well there's not consensus within the NIH based on the most recent report.

And the EPA currently says that levels below 4 mg per liter are safe when these studies show that it's not. The EPA is currently reconsidering their recommendations because of court order. They haven't appealed which seems to me that there's not exactly consensus within the EPA.
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There's enough consensus at the NIH that 0.7mg/L is still the HHS's official position.

Go get the research and we can have this conversation again then. You don't have the research now. You just don't. That NIH report ain't it. And saying things like 1.5mg/L is "not much higher" than 0.7mg/L in this context is not helping your argument. Wait until actual relevant research is available and peer reviewed before you start recommending changes to public health policy.
 
Milk and Cookies said:
There's enough consensus at the NIH that 0.7mg/L is still the HHS's official position.

Go get the research and we can have this conversation again then. You don't have the research now. You just don't. That NIH report ain't it. And saying things like 1.5mg/L is "not much higher" than 0.7mg/L in this context is not helping your argument. Wait until actual relevant research is available and peer reviewed before you start recommending changes to public health policy.
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Look I realize it's not a thought report for a Fortune 100 company but an NIH report is actually pretty credible here.

The links are on this thread and within the reports if you care to look at them. If you just don't believe the science, I don't think me finding those reports, again, is really going to do much for you.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Show me a scientific consensus that fluoridating water is safe. Its not there because the studies are still being done. The question is if we should keep doing it when there is a fair chance that its dangerous or we should stop until the studies are completed.
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This post is logically indistinguishable from RFK's anti-measles vaccine advocacy in Samoa, which led directly to the deaths of 83 people, most of whom were young children.
 
lawtig02 said:
This post is logically indistinguishable from RFK's anti-measles vaccine advocacy in Samoa, which led directly to the deaths of 83 people, most of whom were young children.
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I don't think we have too many NIH reports talking about the dangers of the measles vaccine but perhaps you can provide a link.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I don't think we have too many NIH reports talking about the dangers of the measles vaccine but perhaps you can provide a link.
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There's a scientific consensus that measles vaccines are safe. There's also a scientific consensus that fluoridation at the approved levels does not impact IQ. This is not hard. One outlier study does not disturb the scientific consensus any more than Jim Inhofe's snowball disturbs the consensus on climate change.
 
lawtig02 said:
There's a scientific consensus that measles vaccines are safe. There's also a scientific consensus that flouridation at the approved levels does not impact IQ. This is not hard. One outlier study does not disturb the scientific consensus any more than Jim Inhofe's snowball disturbs the consensus on climate change.
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Is there really scientific consensus that fluoride at the approved level does not impact IQ? I know people on this thread have blithely asserted it but there appears to be a fair amount of questions within the scientific community. At this point its 50 outliers.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Is there really scientific consensus that fluoride at the approved level does not impact IQ? I know people on this thread have blithely asserted it but there appears to be a fair amount of questions within the scientific community. At this point its 50 outliers.
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Sure. And 3% of global climate scientists dispute climate change. That has zero impact on the consensus.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Look I realize it's not a thought report for a Fortune 100 company but an NIH report is actually pretty credible here.

The links are on this thread and within the reports if you care to look at them. If you just don't believe the science, I don't think me finding those reports, again, is really going to do much for you.
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Maybe bigger font will help?

"There were not enough data to determine if 0.7 mg/L of fluoride exposure in drinking water affected children's IQ," Christine Flowers, director of the Office of Communication at the National Institutes of Health, wrote in an email.
 
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