Friendly reminder about Trump and MAGA

[wmheel1287]

Seriously. He needs to seek out some counseling. TDS is real. If not he is going to wind up being committed.

Do I need counseling as well? Is it everyone who thinks Donald Trump represents the absolute worst of humanity and therefore should never approach any position of leadership?

Do you not, even for just a moment, have enough empathy to recognize how that sort of thing might bring about a profound response from people who have lived their life truly believing in positivity and caring as important human ideals?

I am 100% honest in saying that I don't know if I want to survive under Donald Trump and his entourage of depravity. I mean that to my core. I personally dont think that makes me deranged or that I need to be committed for thinking it. It just means that I'm made of different stuff than those who are OK with the man or embrace him.

Some of us are absolutely crushed in a way you clearly cannot comprehend or perhaps you don't want to. You believe that represents a flaw in me. I say it's more likely to be the other way around.

 

[UNCatTech]

So you really think the political class and the generals who may be concerned really think all the stuff they are saying but are just gonna sit by and watch it happen, or do you think they have a contingency plan and hope he doesn't do it? What is the recourse if he tries to overstep?

What is the recourse considering the SCOTUS gave him authority to do as he pleases without legal consequences?

 

[wmheel1287]

So you really think the political class and the generals who may be concerned really think all the stuff they are saying but are just gonna sit by and watch it happen, or do you think they have a contingency plan and hope he doesn't do it? What is the recourse if he tries to overstep?

There is no recourse. Those that are rightly terrified by Trump have no power...real, imagined, or political. His supporters would plunge the nation into civil war and anarchy overnight. We all know that to be true whether you're willing to acknowledge it or not. Hell, half the reason many vote for him in the first place is a desire to burn it all down.

 

[mpaer]

Hell, half the reason many vote for him in the first place is a desire to burn it all down.

This is sad but true

 

[korgguy1971]

Seems as though we may be fluctuating between the "complacency" and "apathy" markers. We're definitely past the "selfishness" one.

 

[EhringhausSouth]

There is no recourse. Those that are rightly terrified by Trump have no power...real, imagined, or political. His supporters would plunge the nation into civil war and anarchy overnight. We all know that to be true whether you're willing to acknowledge it or not. Hell, half the reason many vote for him in the first place is a desire to burn it all down.

That is where I

What the hell are you trying to say?

What I am saying is, there are really only three options here

#1, The over the top crazy, extreme, sky is falling stuff is nothing more than campaign rhetoric and scare tactics, which is a speciality of the Democratic party to try and get people to not vote for Trump. This is what I think is most likely.



#2, if they really believe what they are saying about how dangerous he is to the country, they'd never allow him to take office and do whatever necessary to stop it.


#3, possibly, a contingency plan, allow him to take office and if he tries anything, they'll deal with it then. But I don't see this one.


Let's watch it play out.

 

[wmheel1287]

That is where I


What I am saying is, there are really only three options here

#1, The over the top crazy, extreme, sky is falling stuff is nothing more than campaign rhetoric and scare tactics, which is a speciality of the Democratic party to try and get people to not vote for Trump. This is what I think is most likely.



#2, if they really believe what they are saying about how dangerous he is to the country, they'd never allow him to take office and do whatever necessary to stop it.


#3, possibly, a contingency plan, allow him to take office and if he tries anything, they'll deal with it then. But I don't see this one.


Let's watch it play out.

Or #4...there isn't a damned thing that can be done.

Any action subverting the duly elected President of the United States (and especially "taking him out" is treason and would result in immediate civil war nationwide likely causing hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Almost none of what is said about Trump is exaggeration. He is THAT bad. Worse is that he's surrounded by people far worse than him.

 

[superrific]

#2, if they really believe what they are saying about how dangerous he is to the country, they'd never allow him to take office and do whatever necessary to stop it.

Well, #2 is where I am, because I'm angry and terrified. But it's a big step -- to put it mildly -- from "angry and terrified" to "here's a plan to subvert this election without subverting democracy in general, and to fight the fascism and oppression without committing to fascism and oppression."

I think it could be done, but that's optimism and intuition. Before attempting a coup d'etat, our decision makers would need a hell of a stronger basis than that. And since I haven't done any of that hard thinking, and don't know nearly enough about the logistics of power at that level, I don't really have anything to offer. It's pretty hard to criticize someone for not knowing what to do, when you also don't know what to do.

And finally, the people we are talking about have lived their lives in politics. In Biden's case, he's been in politics longer than I've been alive. It's not just that they are deeply committed to a political process; it's hard even for them to think beyond it. Were Biden to shiv Trump as I would have liked in their meeting on Wednesday, he would likely interpret it as a full repudiation of his entire life's work. And sure, maybe Trump will be that repudiation. But Biden doesn't know that. So 100% odds of him repudiating by subverting the election, against unknown but surely less than 100% odds (because the future is never written) of repudiation by Trump.

In other words, you've massively oversimplified everything, even within this option.

 

[lawtig02]

That is where I


What I am saying is, there are really only three options here

#1, The over the top crazy, extreme, sky is falling stuff is nothing more than campaign rhetoric and scare tactics, which is a speciality of the Democratic party to try and get people to not vote for Trump. This is what I think is most likely.



#2, if they really believe what they are saying about how dangerous he is to the country, they'd never allow him to take office and do whatever necessary to stop it.


#3, possibly, a contingency plan, allow him to take office and if he tries anything, they'll deal with it then. But I don't see this one.


Let's watch it play out.

I was 100% certain you’ve just been trolling, but you’re serious about this, aren’t you?

 

[ChapelHillSooner]

That is where I


What I am saying is, there are really only three options here

#1, The over the top crazy, extreme, sky is falling stuff is nothing more than campaign rhetoric and scare tactics, which is a speciality of the Democratic party to try and get people to not vote for Trump. This is what I think is most likely.



#2, if they really believe what they are saying about how dangerous he is to the country, they'd never allow him to take office and do whatever necessary to stop it.


#3, possibly, a contingency plan, allow him to take office and if he tries anything, they'll deal with it then. But I don't see this one.


Let's watch it play out.

You may not believe it but #3 is the only option.

The military is trained to stay out of domestic politics at all cost. They would never do anything unless or until things get really really bad.

 

[EhringhausSouth]

I was 100% certain you’ve just been trolling, but you’re serious about this, aren’t you?

Yes. Dead serious.

I've laid out the three options, I think #1 is most likely. Because it doesn't logically follow that if they really believed the stuff they are saying, they would just allow him to take office.


ETA: I never wanted a trump presidency. I'm still pissed that McConnell was a coward and didn't play the long game when he had a chance.

 

[lawtig02]

Yes. Dead serious.

I've laid out the three options, I think #1 is most likely. Because it doesn't logically follow that if they really believed the stuff they are saying, they would just allow him to take office.

Dude. You are talking about assassinating the president elect. I’m very confident the next four years will be every bit as bad as Dems were predicting in the campaign. But I’m not going to even think about assassinating the freaking president. Is that how your mind works?

 

[Mulberry Heel]

I do think Trump is going to be a disaster, and I suspect in about a year or two (or perhaps much sooner) most of the people who have kept saying "it won't be as bad as y'all keep saying" are likely not going to be posting here anymore. Certainly most of his cabinet picks so far seems to scream chaos and disruption, which is likely not going to be good for the economy.

 

[ChapelHillSooner]

The first thing Trump will do is have people like Jack Smith arrested. The irony is that it will be presented as a fight against tyranny and politicization of the DOJ.

Not a single MAGA will bat an eye. They won’t see the obvious tyranny of such a move but instead view it as Trump rooting out corruption.

That won’t hurt a single MAGA. It will take longer for them to experience the tyranny.

 

[mpaer]

The first thing Trump will do is have people like Jack Smith arrested. The irony is that it will be presented as a fight against tyranny and politicization of the DOJ.

Not a single MAGA will bat an eye. They won’t see the obvious tyranny of such a move but instead view it as Trump rooting out corruption.

That won’t hurt a single MAGA. It will take longer for them to experience the tyranny.

I hope Bloomberg or someone has promised to cover his attorney fees

 

[wmheel1287]

Yes. Dead serious.

I've laid out the three options, I think #1 is most likely. Because it doesn't logically follow that if they really believed the stuff they are saying, they would just allow him to take office.


ETA: I never wanted a trump presidency. I'm still pissed that McConnell was a coward and didn't play the long game when he had a chance.

I sincerely think you've gone far enough on this thread to warrant an in person visit from the Secret Service if they read it. I don't say that because I think you're a threat or inciting one but as a measure of how wild I think your expressed thoughts are here.

 

[Zoo_View]

That is where I


What I am saying is, there are really only three options here

#1, The over the top crazy, extreme, sky is falling stuff is nothing more than campaign rhetoric and scare tactics, which is a speciality of the Democratic party to try and get people to not vote for Trump. This is what I think is most likely.



#2, if they really believe what they are saying about how dangerous he is to the country, they'd never allow him to take office and do whatever necessary to stop it.


#3, possibly, a contingency plan, allow him to take office and if he tries anything, they'll deal with it then. But I don't see this one.


Let's watch it play out.

You’re ignorant or naive or both.