Friendly reminder about Trump and MAGA

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EhringhausSouth said:
Thing is, all the doom and gloom and over the top stuff is just campaign rhetoric. If they really thought Trump was gonna be some authoritarian, they'd try and stop it. They know he's not in actuality.
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Stop it how exactly? Save democracy via coup or assassination? You can't save democracy by killing it. This is just a goofy impossible standard Dems are being held to. "If you truly believed Trump was evil and was going to throw the country into chaos, you would stop him through equivalent evil and throwing the country into chaos." What do you think the endgame should be if liberals truly believe Trump is dangerous? Please feel free to educate us on how we should be doing a coup that won't be violent and bloody and won't plunge the country into nightmarish unrest and/or civil war.

Not to mention that it's not like Trump himself is uniquely the problem. It's his whole movement. You think people are going to stop screaming about "stolen elections" when Trump is gone?

I mean seriously, try to game this out for me and explain what liberals should be doing to avoid Trump taking power.
 
rodoheel said:
Stop it how exactly? Save democracy via coup or assassination? You can't save democracy by killing it. This is just a goofy impossible standard Dems are being held to. "If you truly believed Trump was evil and was going to throw the country into chaos, you would stop him through equivalent evil and throwing the country into chaos." What do you think the endgame should be if liberals truly believe Trump is dangerous? Please feel free to educate us on how we should be doing a coup that won't be violent and bloody and won't plunge the country into nightmarish unrest and/or civil war.

Not to mention that it's not like Trump himself is uniquely the problem. It's his whole movement. You think people are going to stop screaming about "stolen elections" when Trump is gone?

I mean seriously, try to game this out for me and explain what liberals should be doing to avoid Trump taking power.
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Come on, now. Ehringhaus has a point. Trump's not ACTUALLY going to appoint a pedophile to lead the Department of Justice, or an antivaxxer to lead HHS, or a Fox News host to head the military, or a Russian asset to be in charge of our national intelligence. That was obviously just campaign rhetoric.
 
rodoheel said:
Stop it how exactly? Save democracy via coup or assassination? You can't save democracy by killing it. This is just a goofy impossible standard Dems are being held to. "If you truly believed Trump was evil and was going to throw the country into chaos, you would stop him through equivalent evil and throwing the country into chaos." What do you think the endgame should be if liberals truly believe Trump is dangerous? Please feel free to educate us on how we should be doing a coup that won't be violent and bloody and won't plunge the country into nightmarish unrest and/or civil war.

Not to mention that it's not like Trump himself is uniquely the problem. It's his whole movement. You think people are going to stop screaming about "stolen elections" when Trump is gone?

I mean seriously, try to game this out for me and explain what liberals should be doing to avoid Trump taking power.
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It's just another example of the pretzel logic people will use to blame Democrats for the coming terribleness of the Trump administration.

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rodoheel said:
Stop it how exactly? Save democracy via coup or assassination? You can't save democracy by killing it. This is just a goofy impossible standard Dems are being held to. "If you truly believed Trump was evil and was going to throw the country into chaos, you would stop him through equivalent evil and throwing the country into chaos." What do you think the endgame should be if liberals truly believe Trump is dangerous? Please feel free to educate us on how we should be doing a coup that won't be violent and bloody and won't plunge the country into nightmarish unrest and/or civil war.

Not to mention that it's not like Trump himself is uniquely the problem. It's his whole movement. You think people are going to stop screaming about "stolen elections" when Trump is gone?

I mean seriously, try to game this out for me and explain what liberals should be doing to avoid Trump taking power.
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If the generals really though he was gonna do some giant general purge and do all this crap they claim he is gonna do, they (generals in conjunction with the concerned political class) would take him out now. They know he's gonna just talk trash, be an ass, fill SCOTUS seats that may open, impose some tariffs and maybe deport some illegals and build a little bit of wall and possibly die in office due to his age.
 
EhringhausSouth said:
If the generals really though he was gonna do some giant general purge and do all this crap they claim he is gonna do, they (generals in conjunction with the concerned political class) would take him out now. They know he's gonna just talk trash, be an ass, fill SCOTUS seats that may open, impose some tariffs and maybe deport some illegals and build a little bit of wall and possibly die in office due to his age.
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Let’s game this out.

Say “the generals and concerned political class” do indeed “take him out now.”

Then what? Dude just won an election, and has a ton of armed supporters who already hate the establishment and have been steeped in conspiracy theories—“taking him out” would confirm everything they’ve come to hate.

So…martial law? Set off a civil war?
 
EyeballKid said:
Let’s game this out.

Say “the generals and concerned political class” do indeed “take him out now.”

Then what? Dude just won an election, and has a ton of armed supporters who already hate the establishment and have been steeped in conspiracy theories—“taking him out” would confirm everything they’ve come to hate.

So…martial law? Set off a civil war?
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That one is a head fuck. It’s one of the scenarios that I have played around with yesterday.

Or how about this one - he has enough power this time that he could, conceivably, simply turn the keys over to Russia. What then?

Note to others - “gaming it” is different from believing/spreading conspiracy theories. It is more “what if” scenarios to explore than a belief that something actually is, or will, occur. Just wanted to make sure we are all on the same page about that.
 
lawtig02 said:
Come on, now. Ehringhaus has a point. Trump's not ACTUALLY going to appoint a pedophile to lead the Department of Justice, or an antivaxxer to lead HHS, or a Fox News host to head the military, or a Russian asset to be in charge of our national intelligence. That was obviously just campaign rhetoric.
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Like, we all see this, right? I just need to make sure that, on this, we all get it. This isn’t going to be 2016, redux.
 
EyeballKid said:
Let’s game this out.

Say “the generals and concerned political class” do indeed “take him out now.”

Then what? Dude just won an election, and has a ton of armed supporters who already hate the establishment and have been steeped in conspiracy theories—“taking him out” would confirm everything they’ve come to hate.

So…martial law? Set off a civil war?
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They could do it covertly, the ability to do so exists. They may do it yet, but if they allow him to be inaugurated, then it is obvious it was all campaign rhetoric and they don't really think he's that big of the threat. Let's see what happens between now and inauguration day I guess.
 
EhringhausSouth said:
They could do it covertly, the ability to do so exists. They may do it yet, but if they allow him to be inaugurated, then it is obvious it was all campaign rhetoric and they don't really think he's that big of the threat. Let's see what happens between now and inauguration day I guess.
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If Trump were to be killed, there would be massive consequences that you don’t seem to be acknowledging.

It’s not like the MAGA crowd that rioted on J6 and the millions that have spent nearly a decade now mainlining conspiracy theories about the deep state trying to destroy their godking would suddenly “stand down and stand by” in the aftermath. There would be bloodshed. They’d revolt. There would be mass chaos.
 
EyeballKid said:
If Trump were to be killed, there would be massive consequences that you don’t seem to be acknowledging.

It’s not like the MAGA crowd that rioted on J6 and the millions that have spent nearly a decade now mainlining conspiracy theories about the deep state trying to destroy their godking would suddenly “stand down and stand by” in the aftermath. There would be bloodshed. They’d revolt. There would be mass chaos.
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So you really think the political class and the generals who may be concerned really think all the stuff they are saying but are just gonna sit by and watch it happen, or do you think they have a contingency plan and hope he doesn't do it? What is the recourse if he tries to overstep?
 
EhringhausSouth said:
They could do it covertly, the ability to do so exists. They may do it yet, but if they allow him to be inaugurated, then it is obvious it was all campaign rhetoric and they don't really think he's that big of the threat. Let's see what happens between now and inauguration day I guess.
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What the hell are you trying to say?
 
EhringhausSouth said:
So you really think the political class and the generals who may be concerned really think all the stuff they are saying but are just gonna sit by and watch it happen, or do you think they have a contingency plan and hope he doesn't do it? What is the recourse if he tries to overstep?
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The recourse if he oversteps?

Congress, the Courts, and the responsible people in the Executive Branch rein him in…….which we know won’t happen.

Are you proposing a coup?
 
EhringhausSouth said:
If the generals really though he was gonna do some giant general purge and do all this crap they claim he is gonna do, they (generals in conjunction with the concerned political class) would take him out now. They know he's gonna just talk trash, be an ass, fill SCOTUS seats that may open, impose some tariffs and maybe deport some illegals and build a little bit of wall and possibly die in office due to his age.
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Take him out how, man? You’re saying the only way for Dems to prove Trump is a threat to democracy is to assassinate him? How exactly do you think that would help? What do you think would happen next?
 
rodoheel said:
Take him out how, man? You’re saying the only way for Dems to prove Trump is a threat to democracy is to assassinate him? How exactly do you think that would help? What do you think would happen next?
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What a weird form of TDS. The so called cure would actually be worse than the disease. All we need is both sides ignoring the Constitution and going for naked power grabs.
 
EhringhausSouth said:
So you really think the political class and the generals who may be concerned really think all the stuff they are saying but are just gonna sit by and watch it happen, or do you think they have a contingency plan and hope he doesn't do it? What is the recourse if he tries to overstep?
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The recourse is checks and balances and the constitution and the courts. This isn’t some third world banana republic man. We can’t prejudge Trump guilty of crimes he hasn’t committed yet and execute him; the country would be thrown into chaos and maybe disintegrate

As I said, you can’t save a democracy through coup, whether it’s for the “right reasons” or not. History is replete with examples of this lesson. And as I said before, Trump uniquely is not the threat - the whole movement is. If Trump is killed and Vance takes over instead, we might not be any better off.
 
EhringhausSouth said:
So you really think the political class and the generals who may be concerned really think all the stuff they are saying but are just gonna sit by and watch it happen, or do you think they have a contingency plan and hope he doesn't do it? What is the recourse if he tries to overstep?
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More likely they would wait until Trump does sufficient harm so that the public begins to turn on him then make their move. They can’t do anything now. That would just create chaos.
 
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