Gavin Newsom addresses the nation

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Centerpiece said:
Personally I don’t mind Newsom as a National candidate. I thought he did well in debating both DeSantis and Hannity in Dec. 2023… on FOX no less. Recall that debate. Every chart and graphic Hannity put up tried to paint Cali in a negative light, and he then tried to say his questions were neutral. BS. Did he happen to allude to the fact that Fla rates well below Cali in just about every socio-economic metric? No, of course not. But Gavin held is own and even won that debate, hands down by any objective view.

Now he’s going toe to toe with Trump. Good on him. As has been noted, no Dems have been stepping up, but now Newsom has. And we want to throw him under the bus because of his hair? His dinner out? His questioning the wisdom of dying on the hill of trans athletes? Seriously?

We’re on the friggin cusp of Martial law under the thumb of an authoritarian dictator and we want to cast aspersions on the only Democratic politician with the balls to say “No Fucking Kings!”

Yeah, that’s the ticket. Let’s keep that shit up for another 12 months and see what the mid-terms are shaping up like next year…
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So why is the Democratic governor of California spending so much time on Fox News debating national politics?

I don't deny that Newsom is smooth and has somehow gotten Hannity and Bannon to be best buds with him.

But as Admiral Akbar would say, It's a Trap!
 
superrific said:
The fact is that the way you talk pisses people off.
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He doesn't piss me off, even though I don't agree with a lot of what he's saying. I just enjoy observing the salad days of a socialist who is still young enough to cherish honest hopes and dreams going thru the paces, knowing the bitterness and disillusionment that awaits with age and experience. Ah, the circle of life. Good times...
 
Calheel said:
So why is the Democratic governor of California spending so much time on Fox News debating national politics?

I don't deny that Newsom is smooth and has somehow gotten Hannity and Bannon to be best buds with him.

But as Admiral Akbar would say, It's a Trap!
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Obviously, he was doing exactly what we think he was doing… setting up a play for 2028. Duh.
I see nothing wrong with that. When you’re wrestling pigs you gotta get down in the dirt and get a little muddy. This “when they take the low road, we take the high road” shtick only gets one so far.

We need a U.S. Grant, not a McClellan
 
Calheel said:
So why is the Democratic governor of California spending so much time on Fox News debating national politics?

I don't deny that Newsom is smooth and has somehow gotten Hannity and Bannon to be best buds with him.

But as Admiral Akbar would say, It's a Trap!
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Do you say the same about Pete Buttigieg? We need more, not less, politicians willing to go on Fox News and spread our message and counter the propaganda the right has been spreading.

It’s a tough ask, and not many have the debating skills to do it. Newsome and Buttigieg do.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Do you say the same about Pete Buttigieg? We need more, not less, politicians willing to go on Fox News and spread our message and counter the propaganda the right has been spreading.

It’s a tough ask, and not many have the debating skills to do it. Newsome and Buttigieg do.
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This.
 
Calheel said:
The amount of homoerotic love on this board for Newsom is gross. I get it. Dude is good looking. People can stop lusting after him now.
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several of my good friends LOVE him......all straight women and gay men, lmao.
 
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rodoheel said:
I am not a fan of Newsom as a national candidate. Like CalHeel, I find him to be an utterly fake political opportunist.
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In fairness, I think most politicians are opportunists, fake or otherwise. But let's face it, who really goes into politics as a career anyway? Oftentimes it's the nerds who were in student government in high school (full disclosure: I was in student government one year in high school, but only b/c nobody else in my homeroom class wanted to do it) who don't really have many other prospects. I know this is painting with way too broad a brush, and of course I'm not talking about all of them, but look around.

There's a guy from my hometown who is two years younger than me, I used to buy him and his buddies beer on Friday afternoon in high school (he was on the soccer team with me), now he's a bigwig in state government (Paine probably knows who I'm talking about), ran for attorney general a few years ago and almost won. Total Maga and total nerd. And now I got to deal with his bullshit.

Who are the cool politicians? Obviously Obama uber alles. Clinton was cool too. Certainly Reagan in his way. JFK may've been the OG of cool politicians. Even Bush was kinda cool in his dorky way. I felt like Kamala was cool but it didn't work out. Trump is so fucking uncool. He's like the revenge of all the uncool people. I'm not saying Newsom is cool, but he's cooler than Trump. But that's a very low bar...
 
Calheel said:
The amount of homoerotic love on this board for Newsom is gross. I get it. Dude is good looking. People can stop lusting after him now.
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Eek.

I would watch and like a 2 minute TikTok video of a person meticulously eviscerating a Russian troll that is clearly doing calheel spin.
 
Paine said:
I get where you’re coming from, but I think you’re underestimating how much of the right-wing electorate responds to aesthetics and performance, even if they don’t particularly like the person doing the performing. You’re right. Vance isn’t some magnetic figure with a deep bond to working-class voters, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t useful to the right’s project, or that he doesn’t know how to imitate the language of alienation well enough to be effective.

He’s not beloved, but he’s legible. When he rails against elites, even if he is one, he’s performing a script that a slice of disaffected voters, especially white men who feel culturally displaced, recognize. It doesn’t matter that he’s full of it. It matters that he speaks in the idiom of resentment and cultural grievance, which travels farther than people think.

Put differently: he doesn’t need to be loved. He just needs to be “one of us” in the way he talks and who he targets, even if it’s all theater. That’s enough to get people to shrug and go, “eh, close enough.” And in a low-trust, post-truth political culture, “close enough” often wins.

If Trump isn’t the nominee in 2028, who stands to tap into that emotional connection? Will they do it better than Newsom or whoever else the Democratic nominee is? I thinks that’s the terrain we’re playing on. Interested in hearing who others think can bridge both authenticity and substance.
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dukeman92 said:
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Like you my #1 guy is Andy Beshear because my #1 goal is to win (defeat MAGA). But, I didn’t like Biden-I much preferred Buttigieg. But I fell in line and strongly supported Biden because I wanoted to defeat Trump more than anything. Today I worry Newsom may be too polished and California to attract independents and non-MAGA voters in ways I think Beshear (or someone else) might do better.

But damn if I didn’t love his speech and and message-EXACTLY what we in the anti-Trump camp need and want right now.
 
superrific said:
You have jumped the shark on this thread. The governor of California is always a national politician.
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Not always. I never heard Gray Davis going on the national news. The Governator did some, but that was a unique situation. Jerry Brown, who had an extremely high profile, was quite a low-profile governor actually (at least in round 2). Pete Wilson was a bit of a self-promoter with his border schtick, but he was also mostly before my time.

The only time I ever heard Deukmejian's name was when I was going into buildings named after him. He had very little national profile. I guess if we go back to Reagan, maybe that would be comparable to Gavin.

I have no opposition to a governor parlaying his/her position into *some* national exposure. After all, most of our recent presidents are former governors. But I do object to someone who thinks his sole job is to advance his political fortunes on a national level rather than to govern his state.
 
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Calheel said:
Not always. I never heard Gray Davis going on the national news. The Governator did some, but that was a unique situation. Jerry Brown, who had an extremely high profile, was quite a low-profile governor actually (at least in round 2). Pete Wilson was a bit of a self-promoter with his border schtick, but he was also mostly before my time.

The only time I ever heard Deukmejian's name was when I was going into buildings named after him. He had very little national profile. I guess if we go back to Reagan, maybe that would be comparable to Gavin.
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Roy Cooper went National while he was Guv.
Shapiro, Whitmer, DeSantis, Huckabee… tons of Guvs have gone “National” for this that and the other.
Besides, it’s documented that Newsom’s was a State-wide address NOT NATIONAL.
While it garnered national attention and addressed issues of national concern, his primary focus was on the state of California and its residents.
 
Centerpiece said:
Roy Cooper went National while he was Guv.
Shapiro, Whitmer, DeSantis, Huckabee… tons of Guvs have gone “National” for this that and the other.
Besides, it’s documented that Newsom’s was a State-wide address NOT NATIONAL.
While it garnered national attention and addressed issues of national concern, his primary focus was on the state of California and its residents.
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It was carried live on CNN and MSNBC in primetime.
 
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